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In Historical Context, Was Tom Brady A Game Manager Too?
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Genuinely didn't know Brady's perception early in his career. Learn something new everyday I suppose. 
However, considering the parallels, this looks good for Russ becoming one of the greats sometime in the future.
However, considering the parallels, this looks good for Russ becoming one of the greats sometime in the future.
A great final drive is Eli both times or Ben throwing to Santonio to win the Super Bowl with their arms. Only mustering enough offense for Vinateiri to have to kick a 50yd field goal isn't a "great drive" worthy of the praise.
i guess they coulda gave it to Ty Law or something ? there wasnt much of an outstanding player that game really. i think the shock of him doing work on the last drive is what earned him the MVP
No one thought Brady was a top 5 QB when his team won the rings, he was known as a guy who just won.
Brady started putting up numbers years later and got heralded as a top passer.
Still Brady was more instrumental to his teams 1st SB than Wilson was, and in his 2nd SB Brady played a hell of a game and was the driving force to the W and was MVP.
But yea, so far, they have very similar career paths, lets see if Russel can get #2 and be the MVP this time
Brady started putting up numbers years later and got heralded as a top passer.
Still Brady was more instrumental to his teams 1st SB than Wilson was, and in his 2nd SB Brady played a hell of a game and was the driving force to the W and was MVP.
But yea, so far, they have very similar career paths, lets see if Russel can get #2 and be the MVP this time
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so who shouldve won MVP? I offered a fair alternative. i didnt even say "great drive". do you know how quotations work?
Of course he was. Most QBs with hardware are. Being too dependent on your QB actually weakens your chances. Instead of making that obvious connection people have just tried to lump the winning Brady on a compete team in with the gaudy numbers Brady. In the last 10 years Eli, Flacco, Ben, and Russ combine for 6 rings while Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers combine for 4. Check the record of the first four against the latter four in the playoffs while you are at it.
I'm well aware of how quotations work friend. Thank you for the concern.so who shouldve won MVP? I offered a fair alternative. i didnt even say "great drive". do you know how quotations work?
No but my post was only "loosely" quoting you though. I was just running off your narrative. Not quoting you specifically with what I said.
Edit: Should've given it to Vinateiri.
Yup how you actually play has nothing to do with it. It's all about circumstance. Come in on a great all around team and win a couple=GOAT. Come in on a shytty team and carry it to relevance=choker
. Sad part is I am not even exaggerating. Genuinely didn't know Brady's perception early in his career. Learn something new everyday I suppose.
However, considering the parallels, this looks good for Russ becoming one of the greats sometime in the future.
Nope for some reason I just don't see winning being enough for people to crown Russ. There is something that's different about him. I just can't put my finger on what that difference is
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Vinateiri wouldnt have been a bad choice. I thought Ty Law's interception was huge (pick 6). As a fan it really made me believe we could be the Rams. And i think it made the team believe too. Btw just giving you sh1t on the quotes hahaI'm well aware of how quotations work friend. Thank you for the concern.
No but my post was only "loosely" quoting you though. I was just running off your narrative. Not quoting you specifically with what I said.
Edit: Should've given it to Vinateiri.
Nope for some reason I just don't see winning being enough for people to crown Russ. There is something that's different about him. I just can't put my finger on what that difference is
Ah yes, something between Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Russell Wilson is definitely off, but what could it be?
Nah, I do agree with you. Russell seems to go through cycles of completely overlooked to glaringly overrated in the media, with no in between.
When people talk football, these days they'll say Tom Brady vs Andrew Luck instead of the Partiots vs the Colts. They'll do this for most every team, except when it comes to the Russell Wilson and the Seahawks.
Breh, Brady up until the Moss era was known for the "Dink and Dunk", he was a total game manager. But you can't hate on those rings though
Now it's Gronk and dink and dunk passing plays with lots of YAC with CACS.
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offense.....Let me alert you to something, you are on the coli, and these people know nothing about the New England Patriots. Like the rest of the spots media they ignored them until they started winning and report based on confirmation bias. Tom Brady in his 3rd year was well beyond R. Wilson as a passer. Tom Brady won Superbowl MVP because his drive was impressive and you can go on youtube and watch it right now (I would have given it to Ty Law honestly) but the casual fan (99% of the coli). Second, you cannot compare the passng yards of Wilson and Brady. They played in two entirely different eras. Brady throwing for 3750 and 28 TDs his second year that was good for leading the league in TD passes and being 6th in yards. Wilson throwing for 3500 in 2015 is not remotely similar.
People love to say that the Seahawks don't win because of Russell, but because of the factors around him, but that severely discredits his ability to make plays when he needs to, to stay in the game regardless of the atmosphere, and to amplify the impact of said factors that surround him.
Russell has a great team to back him, but that team, and the city, and the fans, look to him as a leader for a reason. GOAT Black QB playing with the GOAT defense in all of the GOAT games.
Go Hawks.
Second, calling Russel the GOAT black QB, despite that SB win, is offensive to Moon, McNair, McNabb, etc.
What game manager leads the nFL in TD passes? Just admit you never watched the Pats those years.
Really, go look at his numbers compared to the rest of the league, then look at his weapons and come back and explain yourself. Why are you acting like Brady did not put up top 5 to 10 QB numbers from the jump with worse WR talent than any of his other elite QB contemporaries (except Donovan who was on par)?
Let's pretend he was not leading the NFL in come back victories his first couple of years.
The irony.people who actually know the game are aware of this.
NO, he was known as "dink and dunk" to the causal fan who knows nothing about football outside of ESPN highlights and Madden. How does a man get called a game manager after leading a team to 32 points in the SB with 3 TD passes, over 300 yards passing and the msot completion in SB history at the time?Breh, Brady up until the Moss era was known for the "Dink and Dunk", he was a total game manager. But you can't hate on those rings though
Mind, Vinatieri MISSED TWO FGS in that game. Brady's final SB winning drive is way more cerebral than Eli's drive to beat the Pats, he nearly lost the game multiple times and got blessed by a miraculous catch. I swear you coli nikkas are hilarious.
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