Guys...I'm starting to think Ronald Reagan didn't do much for Black people 
In retrospect, The Sopranos was kind of racist
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I agree, but I think that was David Chase' exact intent.
Also, many of the Black characters in the Sopranos were actually portrayed as stand up individuals (The Roc's character, forgot his name - he played the cop with integrity). In my opinion, the cop was portrayed in a completely positive light. He refused to compromise his integrity and take a pay off. The only people who didn't like him were CROOKS!
Bokeem Woodbine's character exposed the exploitation of Black artists by Jewish record label execs.
The old man Tony visits, who served in the military and carried himself in a dignified manner.
One of the scenes, where a white family gets carjacked - the white father yells out the "N" word, when the wife tells him to chill he doubles down on the N word and says "who else is responsible but them" (meaning who else is responsible for carjackings and crime, besides Black people). The very next scene, Tony is looking at photos of the vehicles he commissioned to be stolen. Chase was literally showing how even though the media puts a Black face on crime, often times it's non-black people orchestrating it and benefitting.
Many Sopranos fans lost their shyt with Many Saints of Newark, not realizing there was also a Black Cultural element portrayed in the TV series. Chase wanted to show how full of shyt the italian criminal world was and he's on record saying it pissed him off that the more degenerate he made Tony, the more the fans loved him.
And in Many Saints he portrayed the Black lead as an intelligent gangster who outsmarted the Italians.
There's a few more I left off the list. Also, Chase played a lot of music created by Black artists on the show.
Also, who gets into a TV series (or movie) about the Italian Mafia and not expect to see racist!!!
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OP wants a mafia show or movie without racism. That's like you except the KKK/Jim Crow movie without racism.
Is the Wire racist @I Really Mean It ?
I agree, and my first post actually disagreed with several points OP made.
But given the responses it seems like people didn't know what he was trying to say.
Fred.
There is not a redeemable person on that entire show. It’s a fukking series built around the mob. You expect them to interact with morehouse professors or some shyt?
I Really Mean It
Veteran
I’m referencing how the creators of the show wrote its black characters.
OP wants a mafia show or movie without racism. That's like you except the KKK/Jim Crow movie without racism.
Is the Wire racist @I Really Mean It ?
I Really Mean It
Veteran
I agree, but I think that was David Chase' exact intent.
Also, many of the Black characters in the Sopranos were actually portrayed as stand up individuals (The Roc's character, forgot his name - he played the cop with integrity). In my opinion, the cop was portrayed in a completely positive light. He refused to compromise his integrity and take a pay off. The only people who didn't like him were CROOKS!
Bokeem Woodbine's character exposed the exploitation of Black artists by Jewish record label execs.
The old man Tony visits, who served in the military and carried himself in a dignified manner.
One of the scenes, where a white family gets carjacked - the white father yells out the "N" word, when the wife tells him to chill he doubles down on the N word and says "who else is responsible but them" (meaning who else is responsible for carjackings and crime, besides Black people). The very next scene, Tony is looking at photos of the vehicles he commissioned to be stolen. Chase was literally showing how even though the media puts a Black face on crime, often times it's non-black people orchestrating it and benefitting.
Many Sopranos fans lost their shyt with Many Saints of Newark, not realizing there was also a Black Cultural element portrayed in the TV series. Chase wanted to show how full of shyt the italian criminal world was and he's on record saying it pissed him off that the more degenerate he made Tony, the more the fans loved him.
And in Many Saints he portrayed the Black lead as an intelligent gangster who outsmarted the Italians.
There's a few more I left off the list. Also, Chase played a lot of music created by Black artists on the show.
Also, who gets into a TV series (or movie) about the Italian Mafia and not expect to see racist!!!
You make some good points. I’m not so sure I agree with you on Bokeem’s character. I was left with the impression that he and Tony weren’t that different, and the final conversation, when lawyers are mentioned, paints Hess as the one standing on moral ground. I’ll have watch that episode again.
I might also have to give Many Saints a watch. The reviews of it put me off.
Gritsngravy
Superstar
Kind of?
All them types of shows was racist, that ,shield , soa, etc.
All them types of shows was racist, that ,shield , soa, etc.
Givethanks
Superstar
It's so silly when you hear older black people say Italians are the "ngas" of Europe and make all sort of excuses for them not being "white".
Idk where people came up with the "you know they're Italian not white"
Idk where people came up with the "you know they're Italian not white"
Many the Sopranos fans didn't like the Many Saints movie and I wondered why until I watched that movie and I liked it. No wonder why they didn't like that movie
.Oh, by the way, Bokeem's character Massive Genius based on Master P
OnFleekTing
Superstar
entire storyline about how Tony didn't want his daughter to date a black guy
David Chase has some odd ideas and the show really is beginning to show its age but for the time it was amazing
You can tell its stereotypical portrayal and un nuanced take with black characters informed a lot of viewers ideas of black americans for the next decade
Thankfully the Wire also existed otherwise HBO would never dodge the allegations
David Chase has some odd ideas and the show really is beginning to show its age but for the time it was amazing
You can tell its stereotypical portrayal and un nuanced take with black characters informed a lot of viewers ideas of black americans for the next decade
Thankfully the Wire also existed otherwise HBO would never dodge the allegations
what do you mean Kind of? They used terms like Tit soon, Moulan Yan, Smoke all the time, They probably would've said the N- word but they probably that would be too harsh.i was a huge fan of the sopranos, as i’m sure many of you were and still are. it was the gangster angle, stories of the mob being the chinese food of television and film, along with this series’ darkly comic take on the genre.
but in an era of heightened racial awareness, you tend to inspect the media you consume more closely - at least, i do. going over each season, i’m hard pressed to find a single positive depiction of a black person.
the gangster rapper who tried to extort hess.
the crooked reverend who profited off the anger of his followers.
the self absorbed tragic mulatto who played meadow (and probably messed with her roommate).
the pigheaded cop who had a chip on his shoulder and was disliked by everyone.
the community activist who conspired to speed up gentrification in black neighborhoods.
the bumbling hitmen who botched the hit on tony.
the gangster rapper who asked bobby to shoot him in the ass.
the bed wench who laid down with a geriatric jew.
the crackheads squatting in the houses.
the young kids hired to scare away said crackheads.
and, yeah, i guess you had one or two who weren’t bad in any obvious regard: the caretaker who looked after olivia; the father and daughter who invited jackie into their apartment when he was on the run.
they were barely on the screen, though. hell, olivia implied the caretaker was a thief; even if she was lying, the implication was enough to color your impression of the character.
just something to think about.
99% of media coming out of the US is sublimely racist. Either ts the black man dying first or a disparaging remark or scene followed immediately by a black man.
I was watching a show the other day and 3 white men are talking about how someone was killed like an animal by another white. The guy said with alot of emphasis. "He died like an animal!" then immeditaley they showed a new scene that started with a black man crossing the street. Nothing else was racist in the show but that.
I was watching a show the other day and 3 white men are talking about how someone was killed like an animal by another white. The guy said with alot of emphasis. "He died like an animal!" then immeditaley they showed a new scene that started with a black man crossing the street. Nothing else was racist in the show but that.
Avisible Man
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There's so much shyt that I shake my head and immediately laugh its so ridiculous.
Jamal Ginsberg
Cac fans of Sopranos love saying "Jamal Ginsberg" whenever they get a chance
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