In the near future YOU will NOT WORK. And you will like it....

[IIVI]

How can we expect not to work when the technology that is supposed to replace us requires material resources we know are limited and steadily decreasing?

Those predictions seem to me as blind as most economic theories. They exist in some sort of imaginary vacuum where oil and cobalt are infinite.

I think a part of it is the scientists and engineers who are trying to come up with novel ways to be more efficient with our resources cannot track and manipulate data like that as effectively as an A.I. That's a large part of what science and engineering is - coming up with ways to max out our resources and increase optimization.

To see where A.I has lead to many scientific breakthroughs already in the real world, you can check this video:


Keep in mind, that video was made before ChatGPT was released which has exponentially increased productivity in the real world already.

A.I may not replace those jobs 100%, but it'll make it so only the top 5% of the graduating class will be needed - your most bright and outstanding. They'll be the ones who'll additionally be using the A.I to fine tune parameters and test things out, recursively using the A.I to collaborate rather than some graduates finishing with sub 4.0's.

This is what an M.I.T grad posted recently, so I don't think it's too far-fetched to say:

 

[Nigerianwonder]

This will not happen in the near future and likely not within our lifetimes. Corporate America and politicians want the american people to be wage slaves under their control. Last thing they want is for people to have free time to educate themselves and think about how to challenge the status quo and power structure. Look at how much push back there is to simply working from home or implementing a 4 day work week. Technology has improved drastically over the past few decades so why are we still stuck on a 40 hour work week and anti working remote? Many folks are working more not less as productivity improves.

Another example is that they have had electric cars for 40 years and only now are they really becoming mainstream cause of interference by the oil industry and folks in their pocket. This is because technology always takes a back seat to corporate and government interest. AI will be no different. There will be subtle impacts here and there but they wont allow any large scale shifts in how folks work.

 

[Darth Nubian]

UBI will curb that urve of violence. The economy cannot grow if everyone is broke with no disposable income.

Please re-read what you typed. You think there is going to be disposable income with a UBI? You going to regulate food and housing prices too? Why wouldnt companies just raise prices. Wouldnt this just be a wealth transfer to the same people that already own the AI's?

 

[MischievousMonkey]

I think a part of it is the scientists and engineers who are trying to come up with novel ways to be more efficient with our resources cannot track and manipulate data like that as effectively as an A.I. That's a large part of what science and engineering is - coming up with ways to max out our resources and increase optimization.

To see where A.I has lead to many scientific breakthroughs already in the real world, you can check this video:


Keep in mind, that video was made before ChatGPT was released which has exponentially increased productivity in the real world already.

A.I may not replace those jobs 100%, but it'll make it so only the top 5% of the graduating class will be needed - your most bright and outstanding. They'll be the ones who'll additionally be using the A.I to fine tune parameters and test things out, recursively using the A.I to collaborate rather than some graduates finishing with sub 4.0's.

This is what an M.I.T grad posted recently, so I don't think it's too far-fetched to say:

I'm not disputing the fact that segments of the labor market will go through significant changes during this century. I agree with that and not only because of AI.

I'm disputing the take that work won't exist for the overwhelming majority of the world population, especially in the near future. I can't see it through any framework that isn't science-fiction.

There's a good reason for science-fiction disregarding limited natural resources or imagining an incredible invention that makes giant spaceships and travels to Mars cost-effective to the lower-class.
But in a world where everything around you from the keys of your keyboard, to the clothes enveloping your body, the plastic wrapping your food, without forgetting the innumerable amounts of machines that already exist in the world and are necessary to create anything,
in a world where everything is made of petroleum and other limited resources or need them to be extracted, manufactured, delivered and simply function, some folks anticipate that it's feasible to add enough AI and programs, which will require the same declining resources, to replace human work in its entirety...

We won't optimize ourselves out of that peak oil.

(Not trying to be abrupt or unpleasant btw breh. I say this respectfully.)

 

[Micky Mikey]

This will not happen in the near future and likely not within our lifetimes. Corporate America and politicians want the american people to be wage slaves under their control. Last thing they want is for people to have free time to educate themselves and think about how to challenge the status quo and power structure. Look at how much push back there is to simply working from home or implementing a 4 day work week. Technology has improved drastically over the past few decades so why are we still stuck on a 40 hour work week and anti working remote? Many folks are working more not less as productivity improves.

Another example is that they have had electric cars for 40 years and only now are they really becoming mainstream cause of interference by the oil industry and folks in their pocket. This is because technology always takes a back seat to corporate and government interest. AI will be no different. There will be subtle impacts here and there but they wont allow any large scale shifts in how folks work.

I dunno man once the first corporation fully (or close to it) automates their workforce and sees unprecedented levels of efficiancy and cost reduction I think the rest of them will follow suit. I feel like Corporate America has only needed human labor because the tech wasn't there yet. And with reduced birth rates, the incentives will be there to replace human labor with A.I. and robotics. This is already slowly starting to take place in countries like South Korea and Japan. At some point automating the the workload will become a necessity for corporations to compete in the global market.

Now I'm not naive to think these corporations will just go along with being taxed out the ass to provide us UBI. There's going to have to be policy changes. Which is why putting people in office who're aware of what's coming is imperative.

 

[Micky Mikey]

I think a part of it is the scientists and engineers who are trying to come up with novel ways to be more efficient with our resources cannot track and manipulate data like that as effectively as an A.I. That's a large part of what science and engineering is - coming up with ways to max out our resources and increase optimization.

To see where A.I has lead to many scientific breakthroughs already in the real world, you can check this video:


Keep in mind, that video was made before ChatGPT was released which has exponentially increased productivity in the real world already.

A.I may not replace those jobs 100%, but it'll make it so only the top 5% of the graduating class will be needed - your most bright and outstanding. They'll be the ones who'll additionally be using the A.I to fine tune parameters and test things out, recursively using the A.I to collaborate rather than some graduates finishing with sub 4.0's.

This is what an M.I.T grad posted recently, so I don't think it's too far-fetched to say:

This is a bit concerning.

Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI has stated that he want A.I. to replace the "median human".

Tech bros like OpenAI's Sam Altman keep obsessing about replacing the 'median human' with AI

In a recent profile in the New Yorker, Altman compared his vision of AGI — artificial general intelligence — to a "median human."

www.google.com

 

[IIVI]

I'm not disputing the fact that segments of the labor market will go through significant changes during this century. I agree with that and not only because of AI.

I'm disputing the take that work won't exist for the overwhelming majority of the world population, especially in the near future. I can't see it through any framework that isn't science-fiction.

There's a good reason for science-fiction disregarding limited natural resources or imagining an incredible invention that makes giant spaceships and travels to Mars cost-effective to the lower-class.
But in a world where everything around you from the keys of your keyboard, to the clothes enveloping your body, the plastic wrapping your food, without forgetting the innumerable amounts of machines that already exist in the world and are necessary to create anything,
in a world where everything is made of petroleum and other limited resources or need them to be extracted, manufactured, delivered and simply function, some folks anticipate that it's feasible to add enough AI and programs, which will require the same declining resources, to replace human work in its entirety...

We won't optimize ourselves out of that peak oil.

(Not trying to be abrupt or unpleasant btw breh. I say this respectfully.)

The thing is, a lot of that stuff has already been automated out. We're looking at a world right now that is the product of automation already. Humans always look at where we are an optimize what we got.

If you look at many machines, those machines have taken away potentially tens to hundreds of millions of jobs already. For example, I know of a few electrical engineers that had steady work 15 years ago had to change professions to software and compete with software engineers because the GPS devices they worked on were replaced by smartphones, along with many other devices. All that specialty and numerous companies basically condensed into one device. I think with A.I we're about to see another automative fold or series of folds where many jobs today will be delegated to more machines.

A shapeshifting drone for example that can carry a payload and navigate both ground and air air will replace a worker having to run up and down some stairs and elevators. Sure, it may take a couple engineers to design such a drone. But that small group of engineers will basically replace a tens of millions of jobs.

A.I does damage to the job market because it's a reliable, expressive optimization tool that can be used by other top scientists and those engineers: working with it to come up with more ways to optimize and thus remove more jobs. It's not simply like a calculator, but a calculator with smart and clever feedback. That "smart calculator" also used to be the new graduate.

 

[Wild self]

The thing is, a lot of that stuff has already been automated out. We're looking at a world right now that is the product of automation already. Humans always look at where we are an optimize what we got.

If you look at many machines, those machines have taken away potentially tens to hundreds of millions of jobs already. I think with A.I we're about to see another automative fold or series of folds where many jobs today will be delegated to more machines. For example, I know of a few electrical engineers that had steady work 15 years ago had to change professions to software and compete with software engineers because the GPS devices they worked on were replaced by smartphones, along with many other devices. All that specialty and numerous companies basically condensed into one device.

Where A.I comes into play is actually along with the other top scientists: working with A.I to come up with more ways to optimize and thus remove more jobs. A shapeshifting drone for example that can carry a payload that can additionally navigate ground and fly through air will replace a worker having to run up and down some stairs and elevators.

The unemployment rate will be nearly 50% on a permanent basis.

 

[Wild self]

Please re-read what you typed. You think there is going to be disposable income with a UBI? You going to regulate food and housing prices too? Why wouldnt companies just raise prices. Wouldnt this just be a wealth transfer to the same people that already own the AI's?

If you think that 0 disposable income would benefit anyone

 

[Mowgli]

It's someone else's job to make new jobs but the old jobs will vanish. Keep up. There's something for you to do the question is do you want to do it.

 

[B86]

No shyt; automation will take over the majority of jobs eventually. I’ve been arguing with truck drivers under this one YouTube video because they can’t wrap their brains around automation taking over trucking. They all say “AI can’t safely do this and that” but they don’t even realize that everything think can’t happen has already happened years ago. If you know anything about smart home automation, Arduinos, sensors, or anything then you know how easy it is to automate almost anything.

 

[Traveler]

UBI

You realize UBI at best will be welfare level poverty. You won't have extra money for travel , popping bottles etc.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

UBI

Yep world economies(particularly the fully unchecked cost to have a roof over your head) is causing worldwide economies to fall headfirst into a need for ubi. History will show that it should have been put in years ago, of course. There will be a nasty 'catch up' period as a result once it is actually put in place.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

No shyt; automation will take over the majority of jobs eventually. I’ve been arguing with truck drivers under this one YouTube video because they can’t wrap their brains around automation taking over trucking. They all say “AI can’t safely do this and that” but they don’t even realize that everything think can’t happen has already happened years ago. If you know anything about smart home automation, Arduinos, sensors, or anything then you know how easy it is to automate almost anything.

It will never take over trucking or driving jobs any time soon because you'd need to fully remove human drivers from the streets. A slew of driving variables kills the chance for success. 80% of the variables go away if they literally have their own lane. We are probably a good 2 centuries away from something like that. At least here in the States.

 

[B86]

It will never take over trucking or driving jobs any time soon because you'd need to fully remove human drivers from the streets. A slew of driving variables kills the chance for success. 80% of the variables go away if they literally have their own lane. We are probably a good 2 centuries away from something like that. At least here in the States.

You literally sound exactly like the truckers I was taking about. We are probably a good 2 years away, not centuries. Breh, if you don’t have hands on with automation yourself, please don’t speak on it. Computer handle variables a million times better than a human.

Go get an Arduino, build you a couple mock-roads with tons of obstacles, tell your computer to scale the course for the real world, and tell me what it does. I’ll wait…

The fact that it’s 2023 and people can’t wrap their heads around this basic (basic nowadays) technology just reconfirms for me why I make so much more money in comparison to most people I know (no brag). Yall better wake up real fast…