ATearInMyEye
#KnicksTape
By how they play on the field?Then how do you judge an NFL QB? By passing yards?
In this era, every NFL coach has the same system.
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who_better_than_me
Time to go!!
Don't leave out mike smith and Matt Ryan. I see u nigguh. Tryin to be slick!!!
who_better_than_me
Time to go!!
Word to Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Brian Billick, Andy Reid( I only bring up Reid be us most of u on this board don't consider mcnabb a great orneven good QB)
And isnt that what the QB rating judges?
ATearInMyEye
#KnicksTape
to the birds, yeah.
He's right. Coaches get fired when they're offense and an QB sucks. When vick played well in 2010 reid was looked at like a genius, when he was mediocre the last 2 years he was done.
Munchak needs to fall with Locker this year when/if he flops again. Not sure why he hooked his wagon to dude.
And that system is to hope that you have a QB that plays a high level and Doesn't get hurt.
Why has Beli had such a long tenure in NE?
In today's NFL a coach with a great offense will never get fired.
All the Coaches with bad QBs get fired.
John Fox is the luckiest motherfukker ever.
So the system is Great QB--------------> Great Offense ---------------> the coach job is safe.
Slightly off topic, The recycling of assistant coaches in the NFL is
Ironically enough Beli has seen his starting QB go down twice. You look at recent SB winners and those offenses haven't all necessarily been the greatest.
They still matter. Look at the teams that have won the championship recently.
You're agreeing with me, right?
Ravens were 17th in total defense and 13th in PPG
But, Flacco was
in the playoffs last year Giants were 27th in total defense and a d 25th in PPG
The steelers had a great defense in 2010
Saints were 25th in total D and 20th in PPG
You're agreeing with me, right?
Ravens were 17th in total defense and 13th in PPG
But, Flacco was
Giants were 27th in total defense and a d 25th in PPG
The steelers had a great defense in 2010
Saints were 25th in total D and 20th in PPG
Ravens D was responsible for them staying in that Denver game and not getting blown off the field in the first quarter and a defensive breakdown on the other side was the key to their victory, they held the Pats to 13 pts in NE, and came up with the championship stuff on the goaline in the SB. They are known as running team. Teams didn't come out game planning for Joe to be slinging the ball and he still only threw it 31 times per game in the playoffs vs. 47 for Brady, 36 for Rodgers, and 43 for Manning aka all superior QBs whose teams are far more dependant on them to perform well.
The Giants held 3 top 10 offenses that year to a combined 39 pts.
Eli and co. would've been able to keep up with the Pats, Packer, or even ATL offense if they were operating at or near peak efficiency. Running game wasn't anything special but they made plays when needed, especially in the SB.Packers D wasn't exactly shabby in 2010. They were right there with Pittsburgh in total D and pts allowed. They forced 3 TOs in the SB while Pittsburgh forced none. You see how they have fared in the playoffs the last couple seasons when that defense hasn't been as good?
Saints literally beat up Favre and forced 5 TO. Without that they don't make the SB. They were also among the better teams running the ball that year.
Last but not least you gotta have lady luck on your side as well. The Giants wouldn't have had the same coach and might not have had the same QB in 2011 had Asante not dropped that sure pick in the first SB against the Pats AND they got in at 9-7 AND got to start off at home. Pack just barely made the playoffs in 2010 on the strength of a collapse by the Giants. Saints were lucky the Vikings couldn't hold on to the ball, Favre wanted to play hero, that on-side kick actually worked, the bogus 2pt conversion wasn't overturned, and that Peyton fukked up big-time on that last pick. Even in this passing league a great QB can only do so much by himself. There is a reason that Eli, Big Ben, and Flacco combine for 5 SB rings in the last 8 years compared to Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees' 3 and it's not because former QBs have been better than the latter QBs over that time.
I'm not talking about winning championships, thoughRavens D was responsible for them staying in that Denver game and not getting blown off the field in the first quarter and a defensive breakdown on the other side was the key to their victory, they held the Pats to 13 pts in NE, and came up with the championship stuff on the goaline in the SB. They are known as running team. Teams didn't come out game planning for Joe to be slinging the ball and he still only threw it 31 times per game in the playoffs vs. 47 for Brady, 36 for Rodgers, and 43 for Manning aka all superior QBs whose teams are far more dependant on them to perform well.
The Giants held 3 top 10 offenses that year to a combined 39 pts.
Packers D wasn't exactly shabby in 2010. They were right there with Pittsburgh in total D and pts allowed. They forced 3 TOs in the SB while Pittsburgh forced none. You see how they have fared in the playoffs the last couple seasons when that defense hasn't been as good?
Saints literally beat up Favre and forced 5 TO. Without that they don't make the SB. They were also among the better teams running the ball that year.
Last but not least you gotta have lady luck on your side as well. The Giants wouldn't have had the same coach and might not have had the same QB in 2011 had Asante not dropped that sure pick in the first SB against the Pats AND they got in at 9-7 AND got to start off at home. Pack just barely made the playoffs in 2010 on the strength of a collapse by the Giants. Saints were lucky the Vikings couldn't hold on to the ball, Favre wanted to play hero, that on-side kick actually worked, the bogus 2pt conversion wasn't overturned, and that Peyton fukked up big-time on that last pick. Even in this passing league a great QB can only do so much by himself. There is a reason that Eli, Big Ben, and Flacco combine for 5 SB rings in the last 8 years compared to Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees' 3 and it's not because former QBs have been better than the latter QBs over that time.
This is his about how coach keeps his job and what makes people think they are some type of geniuses
You're agreeing with me, right?
Ravens were 17th in total defense and 13th in PPG
But, Flacco was
Giants were 27th in total defense and a d 25th in PPG
The steelers had a great defense in 2010
Saints were 25th in total D and 20th in PPG
People have tried to rewrite history on that giants defense. They werent good for the vast majority of the year and their pass d was terrible. It's just that they're pass rush came around at the right time late in the year. Eli just sonned everyone.
They had no running game too
I agree with the premise about coaches keeping their jobs...NFL offenses are a lot more consistent than NFL defenses on a year to year basis. Stability and good to elite play from the QB position gives you consistent offensive output, which results in playoff appearances. Its hard to fire a coach that makes the playoffs every season.
And of course all the off the field stuff....more attention, more buzz, more attendance....all increase when there's a QB.
And of course all the off the field stuff....more attention, more buzz, more attendance....all increase when there's a QB.
I'm not talking about winning championships, though
This is his about how coach keeps his job and what makes people think they are some type of geniuses
But you made reference to those championship teams though.
Ravens never had a QB until now and Billick kept his job for almost a decade. Reid still had the same Vick that got him genius cred in 2010 when the bottom fell out in Philly. Lovie Smith went to an SB with Rex Grossman but lost his job with Jay Cutler in tow. Marty Schoten(fukk it 
) lost his job after going 14-2 with a young stud on deck. Coughlin most certainly would't have his right now if Asante makes that pick. Point is there is more to it than just having a stud QB.So stymieing two top 3 offenses to the tune of 37 pts (18.5 ppg) and 5 TO and completely undressing another top 10 offense to the tune of 0 offensive pts scored in this score happy league is nothing?
Don't get me wrong Eli did his thing and the running game was nothing to write home about (although they it also came around during the playoffs) but to act as if what that defense did against the teams that they did it against wasn't special is silly.