In your opinion, why is Jay Z so popular and successful?

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So Jay-Z got gigs because of who he's fawking and not because of his catalog of music and popularity?:childplease:
Media is bullshyt because money drives it, so the info that is spread usually comes from those with deeper pockets
You are mentioning his ownership to support your ridiculous argument that he's overhype, has exaggerated success, and used Beyonce's popularity for his shine. Recall, 50cent was the only rapper to successful help most of his team's member to sell platinum. So that suggest that an artist who is co-signed/affiliated with a popular artist, will not guarantee success for their projects

Its either you don't know how to comprehend what im trying to get across, or you a fucc nikkard holding on to Jay-z last black nut hair.

You said , " media is bullshyt because money drives it " . But when it comes to Jay-z money doesn't drive anything , its his genius?

When "I " referred to media , it was a complement to Jay-Z not an enemy. So i don't know where you even going on that one.

And def Beyonce helped Jay-Z out more than Jay-Z helped Beyonce, keep it 100!
 
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I don't think anybody has exaggerated his ownership in the Nets, its just the haters who like belittling it by pointing it out like nobody else knows. It was reported from the start that the investment was about $[5 to 10] million. At the end of the day, the whole situation was a win win for all parties, moreso the Nets because the brand is now more well known across the world without them having a mega superstar player; thats how the majority owners always wanted it to be.

Btw, 15% of 1% is 15 basis points which amounts to about $750,000 to $850,000 on current valuations (peak) which is far less than what the investment was. He mentions $10 million on FUTW (1% of $1bn) so don't spew 15bps like its a fact, its not.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/5508/jay-z-nets-fraction-owner

Shut up fucc boy.

I never said it wasn't a win .
 
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Its either you don't know how to comprehend what im trying to get across, or you a fucc nikkard holding on to Jay-z last black nut hair.
You said , " media is bullshyt because money drives it " . But when it comes to Jay-z money doesn't drive anything , its his genius?
When "I " referred to media , it was a complement to Jay-Z not an enemy. So i don't know where you even going on that one.
And def Beyonce helped Jay-Z out more than Jay-Z helped Beyonce, keep it 100!

This entire argument is very simple. The constant factor in wins is Hov
Some nikkas try to minimize and rationalize these wins as being overrated/flukes/luck/due to who he married to, while other nikkas give props OR don't care, but KTM
Regardless of discussion, the media is a puppet to those with deeper pockets, thus most of us should be very weary of it
You have media praising him, others not...so you wanna focus on the media that supports your argument and continue to try to find reasons to doubt a dude who is constantly winning
So now it's not his talents, consistency of hits, and media savvy that earned him world wide fame, but his wife. Even though you still wanna ignore the countless artists that failed who were co-signed and/or married to a hot at the moment act
 

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I don't think anybody has exaggerated his ownership in the Nets, its just the haters who like belittling it by pointing it out like nobody else knows. It was reported from the start that the investment was about $[5 to 10] million. At the end of the day, the whole situation was a win win for all parties, moreso the Nets because the brand is now more well known across the world without them having a mega superstar player; thats how the majority owners always wanted it to be.

Btw, 15% of 1% is 15 basis points which amounts to about $750,000 to $850,000 on current valuations (peak) which is far less than what the investment was. He mentions $10 million on FUTW (1% of $1bn) so don't spew 15bps like its a fact, its not.

.1pct of a billy is 1millon :yeshrug:
 
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jay has re-invented himself every album.
jay is the popular gymshoe rapper.
plus, the best pr'd rapper in history.

which is really is only title:

JAY Z = BEST PR'D RAPPER IN THE HISTORY OF RAP

duke is a master of pr,...
i wish i had his publicist contact list, and who worked him up over the years.
that is where he is brilliant,...
i would like to ask him what and whom saw that as his advantage.

every album jay has a new steez, that he has lifted from what is current and so-called in style.
or, he has provided a change of direction and character.
when, the past change was outdated and obsolete, based on the popularity of what was current in pop culture for an urban to a world artist.
his entire discography is also based on using the hottest producers he could afford or gain direction from sonically.

jay discography directionwise

jaz association = simply tried to be the offshoot of a will smith biter.

miscellaneous feature = tries to use an association based feature and get a one feature to a record deal, like k solo to nas and fails.

original flavor = tries to capitalize on the styles scattergories based era of rap, and fails skillwise and does not materialize into a record deal.

mic geronmio feature = gets outrapped and outshined by dmx. in a ploy to garner a record deal from a feature. when his skill were not converted to the new technical skill based era. plus he was never nice like that in the styles based era. one of the worst features and failures for that time, ever.

i can't get with that = another styles based era record that failed to garner a deal.
when the move from styles to technical closed bar skills era was ushered in by nas.

skills morphs off of:

big l
camp lo
jaz
sauce money
nas : even admits it on his never released solo material mid verse

never released solo material :
to money obsessed and materialistic to permeate.
yet, it showed a good submission of his ramped up skill by morphing off of the aforementioned in the technically savy wordsmith era.

in my life time maxi single = tries to outdo the rap world with independant record label and sheer money based economics. [for some odd reason always reminded me of cool c] to garner a distribution deal like master p, and other southern based draw artist at the time and fails.

rd = the same type of content direction and scope as every nas biter, from fat joe to lauren hill.
distribution deal is mired in poor administration and execution from the distributor.
allows him to one and done and get signed to defjam as a distributor and uses the retirement angle to bring light and gain sympathy. yet, garners film money for his first single. nobody is retiring after that type of connection, ever.

streets is watching = tries to capitalize on masta p's dominance in video and rap from i'm bout it.

xxl cover = pays for the debut xxl cover, along with master p when he is a nowhere near the draw or permeation of master p. which fails and later xxl tries to spin job as being visionary.

volume I = first foray into trying to use sentamentalism to make wack jiggy records like puff did on nwo.

million and one twelve = uses the boom of wax to gain cult sentimentalism from obscure wax collectors
HA remix = tries and fails to capitalize on the boom of southern rap from cmb.

volume II = jiggy direction with wannabe credible for the time urban bangers.
that utilizes the gateway launch formula of the russell/rund dmc and rush management based movie, to gain blockbuster mainstream permeation. to relaunch the direction of rocafella after his failures in the jiggy movement so he is not pigeonholed like the failed puff albums after nwo.
this was smart,...one of the best moves in rap history to relaunch a failed label.
just use what worked for the most dominant rap label in history with a documentary style twist
Sheer brilliance and the beginning of his first dominant pr and marketing era.
that would easily make him the best pr'd rapper in history.

volume iii = a mixture of that era's current what producer and features are blockbuster draws.
moves away from the jiggy movement to more hardcore image to not get lost in the death of the boom of dmx as a large draw.
finally capitalizes on the sentimentalism and loss of biggie/pac, in record sales

roc la = rocafella makes a westcoast dogpound album where jay channels snoop

bp = latches onto the emo movement

sean carter mixtape = mixtape boom

bp ii = tries to capitalize on the boom of beyounce in goldmember, and dr evil/austin powers.
tries to re-juvenate his career after ether and fails.
caters to the pac fans, because of the continued draw of pac still being prevalent.

black album = makes a more hardcore direct based album and uses gw like the rest of the industry to keep up with the quality and direction of the commercial boom of aftermath associated artist.
uses another retirement angle like a wrassler, to cover up his failure in the marketplace to the dominant draw, fiddy. who sold the same and had a higher quality group album than his solo at the time.

kingdom come = tries to make a commercial based produced album that capitalizes on the lower skilled submission of other ceo's turned rappers, and the boom of emo/wanna be u2 ripoff style recordings. fails at this foray critically, and also gets smashed trying to battle cam'ron.
blackballs all the other dj old guard artist, with better material in a conflict of interest to create a fake placeholder legacy wise.
one of his best albums intangible based wise on performance reel to reel, though.
he sounded good, vocally.
yet, lyrically suffers from using to many cliche and outdated rhymes to be given any credit for the level of emcee'n he is known for.
plus, this is when he lost all detail of any of the street based content he is known for.

american gangsta = first foray into trying to attach himself to a larger drawing entity to entice a sponsorship to go public on payola bought albums and fails. the foreshadow to the marketing run success of mchg.
this album also, featured a d-boi marketing run like the emerging blockbuster direction of the trap scene.
yet, lacks the umph in detailed content to be given the props he sought.

bp iii = world music direction album, based on the boom and permeation of rihianna's world music success and other large imported urban acts worldwide. a success when it comes to attaining sentimentalism and permeation in the pop world market. a failure of a skill showcase, as he skills morphs on the popular rap artist for that time period. the first album to attempt to directly mirror the new gen skillwise via hook, with outdated and poor technical skills and stylings.

mchg : the newest foray that succeeded in making public the payola involved in his career and the music business via marketing companies and corporations.
latches onto the urban trap southern street pop world market draw and lack of actual rap skills for an entire album.
his worst album to this date and feature the worst showcase of skill in his entire discography since original flavor.
the personification of his dumbs his flow down for dollar based direction in the pop marketplace.



art barr

This is a terrible post.
 

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This is a terrible post.


It is all fact and dead on.
To the point it has been cut and paste in threads and other places unrelated to and out of this thread.

Epic fail deflection and a bytch made neg on your part.


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It is all fact and dead on.
To the point it has been cut and paste in threads and other places unrelated to and out of this thread.

Epic fail deflection and a bytch made neg on your part.


Art Barr

Just because someone agrees with you and decided to copy and paste it into another thread doesn't make your opinion a fact.

If it was such a great/insightful post it'd have more than 2 or 3 daps. Like I said in my rep...there are too many questionable things in that post for you to try and pass them off as fact

Edit: I've always wondered, is your name actually Art Barr?
 

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Just because someone agrees with you and decided to copy and paste it into another thread doesn't make your opinion a fact.

If it was such a great/insightful post it'd have more than 2 or 3 daps. Like I said in my rep...there are too many questionable things in that post for you to try and pass them off as fact

Edit: I've always wondered, is your name actually Art Barr?


No, my real name is not, art Barr.
My real name is the word name spelled backward, true story.
Also, notice you deflected about negs and my name.
While, never supplying any content to counter anything in my post cause you know it is dead on.

It's okay,....i been known I am the truth and no deflection or neg is changing that.



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This dude seems like he will never fall off. I mean when you compare him to the all time greats like Rakim, KRS ONE, Nas, Biggie, Pac, Big Daddy Kane, Common, Slick Rick and the rest of the greats, Jay Z seems to be able to stay in the media and be relevant for oh so long.


Can an argument be made that Jay is the greatest hip hop artist ever due to his outstanding success, fame and relevance?

Rakim pioneered lyricism and is considered the greatest by many hip hop purist.

KRS ONE also considered one of the best, added a lot of consciousness, reggae and battle rhymes.

Nas considered the apparent heir to Rakim is excellent at storytelling, great lyrics and continues to shine but not with all of Jay's success.

Biggie and Pac are dead. Jay learned that trying to be the hardest street rappa may not be the wisest decision. He learned from the mistakes of Biggie and Pac and chose another route.

Biggie Daddy Kane was a combination of the aboved mentioned artists and even he had to give it up to Jay. By the way he took Jay in and mentioned him for some time.

I could go down the list and by no means am I saying Jay is better than all these artists but atleast he is on their level and has to be mentioned. Jay seems to persist and outlast a lot of the greatest rappers.

But why is Jay so popular, successful and relevant. More so than the above mentioned rappers?

Without the success and relevance, would Jay still be considered one of the best?

What is his secret?

SERIOUS DISCUSSION --- LET'S GO!!!!

Being talented and amassing tons of money under his own imprint. And choosing the right hand when the label feel apart. Had he not sided with Def Jam and got the majority of Rocawear he would still be rich but he would not anywhere close to where he is now. That Rocawear flip is one of the smartest moves in the history of the game. 50 and Dre included.
 

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Talent, drive, hard work, a great ear and the common sense to stay out of the media spotlight.

He's always kept his life private. Mystique is a big draw to people. Take Prince for example.
 
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