In your opinion, why is Jay Z so popular and successful?

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Hes savvy and talented at rapping. Also blew up at the right time. questionable artistry though...
But, there are very few businessmen who are as good at rapping, and vice versa.
 
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Cause heads don't want to admit it, but people look up to flashy rappers like their fathers. They looked up to Kane, they looked up to BIG, and they now look up to Hov. The public (especially women) want a man that brags about outrageous shyt that involves money and he filled the void of BIG perfectly. He came from the streets, that intrigued women, he was a hustler, which dudes looked up to, and he has that flow that attracted commercial hits.
ya timing is everything when it comes to this shyt. dude could not have competed with the classic, classic albums that dropped in 93-95
 

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Stop it five, she'd have blown up, Jay or not.


no,...

jay is directly responsible for rihianna, period.
from, the slow burn tv appearances when she was underage.
to the expert change of direction in content and her image.
nobody else should get credit for that other than jay.




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no,...

jay is directly responsible for rihianna, period.
from, the slow burn tv appearances when she was underage.
to the expert change of direction in content and her image.
nobody else should get credit for that other than jay.




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no,...

jay is directly responsible for rihianna, period.
from, the slow burn tv appearances when she was underage.
to the expert change of direction in content and her image.
nobody else should get credit for that other than jay.




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GTFOH!! Jay-Z ain't did shyt for nobody's career ever but you expect us to believe he got Rihanna to pop? nikka you stupid
 

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So what's trendy about the MC album? I think that one of the biggest myths about Jay Z is that his continued relevance is based on him just hopping trends. I don't think that Jay Z has ever really reinvented himself.


jay has re-invented himself every album.
jay is the popular gymshoe rapper.
plus, the best pr'd rapper in history.

which is really is only title:

JAY Z = BEST PR'D RAPPER IN THE HISTORY OF RAP

duke is a master of pr,...
i wish i had his publicist contact list, and who worked him up over the years.
that is where he is brilliant,...
i would like to ask him what and whom saw that as his advantage.

every album jay has a new steez, that he has lifted from what is current and so-called in style.
or, he has provided a change of direction and character.
when, the past change was outdated and obsolete, based on the popularity of what was current in pop culture for an urban to a world artist.
his entire discography is also based on using the hottest producers he could afford or gain direction from sonically.

jay discography directionwise

jaz association = simply tried to be the offshoot of a will smith biter.

miscellaneous feature = tries to use an association based feature and get a one feature to a record deal, like k solo to nas and fails.

original flavor = tries to capitalize on the styles scattergories based era of rap, and fails skillwise and does not materialize into a record deal.

mic geronmio feature = gets outrapped and outshined by dmx. in a ploy to garner a record deal from a feature. when his skill were not converted to the new technical skill based era. plus he was never nice like that in the styles based era. one of the worst features and failures for that time, ever.

i can't get with that = another styles based era record that failed to garner a deal.
when the move from styles to technical closed bar skills era was ushered in by nas.

skills morphs off of:

big l
camp lo
jaz
sauce money
nas : even admits it on his never released solo material mid verse

never released solo material :
to money obsessed and materialistic to permeate.
yet, it showed a good submission of his ramped up skill by morphing off of the aforementioned in the technically savy wordsmith era.

in my life time maxi single = tries to outdo the rap world with independant record label and sheer money based economics. [for some odd reason always reminded me of cool c] to garner a distribution deal like master p, and other southern based draw artist at the time and fails.

rd = the same type of content direction and scope as every nas biter, from fat joe to lauren hill.
distribution deal is mired in poor administration and execution from the distributor.
allows him to one and done and get signed to defjam as a distributor and uses the retirement angle to bring light and gain sympathy. yet, garners film money for his first single. nobody is retiring after that type of connection, ever.

streets is watching = tries to capitalize on masta p's dominance in video and rap from i'm bout it.

xxl cover = pays for the debut xxl cover, along with master p when he is a nowhere near the draw or permeation of master p. which fails and later xxl tries to spin job as being visionary.

volume I = first foray into trying to use sentamentalism to make wack jiggy records like puff did on nwo.

million and one twelve = uses the boom of wax to gain cult sentimentalism from obscure wax collectors
HA remix = tries and fails to capitalize on the boom of southern rap from cmb.

volume II = jiggy direction with wannabe credible for the time urban bangers.
that utilizes the gateway launch formula of the russell/rund dmc and rush management based movie, to gain blockbuster mainstream permeation. to relaunch the direction of rocafella after his failures in the jiggy movement so he is not pigeonholed like the failed puff albums after nwo.
this was smart,...one of the best moves in rap history to relaunch a failed label.
just use what worked for the most dominant rap label in history with a documentary style twist
Sheer brilliance and the beginning of his first dominant pr and marketing era.
that would easily make him the best pr'd rapper in history.

volume iii = a mixture of that era's current what producer and features are blockbuster draws.
moves away from the jiggy movement to more hardcore image to not get lost in the death of the boom of dmx as a large draw.
finally capitalizes on the sentimentalism and loss of biggie/pac, in record sales

roc la = rocafella makes a westcoast dogpound album where jay channels snoop

bp = latches onto the emo movement

sean carter mixtape = mixtape boom

bp ii = tries to capitalize on the boom of beyounce in goldmember, and dr evil/austin powers.
tries to re-juvenate his career after ether and fails.
caters to the pac fans, because of the continued draw of pac still being prevalent.

black album = makes a more hardcore direct based album and uses gw like the rest of the industry to keep up with the quality and direction of the commercial boom of aftermath associated artist.
uses another retirement angle like a wrassler, to cover up his failure in the marketplace to the dominant draw, fiddy. who sold the same and had a higher quality group album than his solo at the time.

kingdom come = tries to make a commercial based produced album that capitalizes on the lower skilled submission of other ceo's turned rappers, and the boom of emo/wanna be u2 ripoff style recordings. fails at this foray critically, and also gets smashed trying to battle cam'ron.
blackballs all the other dj old guard artist, with better material in a conflict of interest to create a fake placeholder legacy wise.
one of his best albums intangible based wise on performance reel to reel, though.
he sounded good, vocally.
yet, lyrically suffers from using to many cliche and outdated rhymes to be given any credit for the level of emcee'n he is known for.
plus, this is when he lost all detail of any of the street based content he is known for.

american gangsta = first foray into trying to attach himself to a larger drawing entity to entice a sponsorship to go public on payola bought albums and fails. the foreshadow to the marketing run success of mchg.
this album also, featured a d-boi marketing run like the emerging blockbuster direction of the trap scene.
yet, lacks the umph in detailed content to be given the props he sought.

bp iii = world music direction album, based on the boom and permeation of rihianna's world music success and other large imported urban acts worldwide. a success when it comes to attaining sentimentalism and permeation in the pop world market. a failure of a skill showcase, as he skills morphs on the popular rap artist for that time period. the first album to attempt to directly mirror the new gen skillwise via hook, with outdated and poor technical skills and stylings.

mchg : the newest foray that succeeded in making public the payola involved in his career and the music business via marketing companies and corporations.
latches onto the urban trap southern street pop world market draw and lack of actual rap skills for an entire album.
his worst album to this date and feature the worst showcase of skill in his entire discography since original flavor.
the personification of his dumbs his flow down for dollar based direction in the pop marketplace.



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GTFOH!! Jay-Z ain't did shyt for nobody's career ever but you expect us to believe he got Rihanna to pop? nikka you stupid

rihianna :
plays : POUR IT UP

-the first marketed pr run for the second gen rocafella records when jay was ceo.
along with the better executed rnb styling of tierria marie and world music artist rihianna as a one up of the failed christion, in the previous rocafella launch.
which disputes your anger filled non fact based ramblings.


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That's the thing tho. Not every rapper wants the Jay Z type of success. Some of them are happy with what they do have and the life and things they were able to accomplish. Some rappers are happy with having some sort of normalcy and a bit of privacy in their lives. Not all of them are hungry for that type of spotlight. Contrary to popular belief.

if those artist are not culturally based, and latched on to revenue grab semantics for a rap career instead of cultural relevency and a showcase of skill.
those rappers are all upset they did not draw like jayz.
nikkaz with no cultural connection to hiphop and are narcissistic when it comes to them trying to sellout and not be outed.
all have an issue when they do not sell like jayz.
shyt, any artist who is not in the real underground and makes commercial urban based mixtapes just because.
with no real cultural sentiment are upset they are not successful like jayz.


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willingness to work with upcoming talent and new artists.

actually is a master of culltivating and protecting his draw in a mainstream context.
jay is completely frugal when it comes to features and doing work with new talent.
they must have a draw on some stage, to offer him significant permeation where he is seen as superior.
for jay, to work with you
jay has never just hopped on records and diluted or had his name attached to anyone.
he is strategic with whom and what he aligns with.
he would have never gottent this far, if he was not frugal and a master at pr.
to spin his failures, and make light of his triumphs.

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Hmmm.... interesting comment and insight.

So it seems clear that a serious rapper who wants to remain relevant and success in this rap game should clearly go to business school, network, network and ofcourse sharpen your lyrical skills and stay up to date with the current hip hop artists.

oh, i totally agree you would need to have a business school accumen to succeed in any business, now.
imo,....
at the very least.
you need an incredible job in a vibrant hot industry to be successful in rap, now.
if not you will fail, from a business standpoint.
plus, if you are not culturally viable.
you will need a background in some classically trained medium of artistry or schooling to succeed.


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LOL, while Gayle King or Ashlee Simpson might not go to break down his verses from RD, do you think they don't know his radio friendly songs like Give It To Me, Dirt Off Your Shoulder, Excuse Me Miss, etc? That's my whole point. Jay has been so successful because he maintains hip hop fans with some of his music, and he gets the more casual fan with his radio/party joints. He has fans of all types. THATS why he is so successful.

Your Air Jordan comparison is terrible. You comparing a sneaker to a musical artist. A better one would be, do you think Bulls games were sold out because it was the "cool" thing to do, or because Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever?


bulls games sold out because it was the cool thing to do.
there was a time when you could have gotten court side seats, off tickets, to season tickets to the bulls on the floor for cheap.
also,..take into account the stadium was undersized capacity wise as well.
when the bulls became popular, or the cool thing is when the bulls started to sellout.
this was well after mj was established as mj.




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Yeah they do.

If they didnt they would rap in their basement


The difference between Nas and Jay is that Jay is able to expand his fanbase every album cycle ... That takes talent

Especially when its hard to heat "NEW" in hiphop

Nas is the best at making music for his fanbase. I would say he is the best ever at it.








What is left to be desired on MC?

The lyrics, production and concepts are all top notch.

actually nas is not as popular a seller.
only, because he tried to re-establish his cultural relevency to cover up his conflict of interest signing to defjam at the time.
if nas would have continued on his sony getting jiggy with it sellout course like jay.
nas, quite possibly even with the quality of his music taking a backseat.
could have recreated the same lackluster superstar sales, that jay has had since volume bp i.
before he retooled to become a world music artist on bpiii, to up his sales again.
nas is just a sellout with a cultural base.
that has to be held intact by appearances.
while, jay is and was never a culturally relevent artist.
only time jay cared about hiphop in pr, to the point it was obvious he was pandering was in the volume ii, to bp i phase.
after that, from pr, to his music output.
jay reverted back to being a sellout revenue grab guy, in perception, marketing, artistry and scope entirely.


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i don't get how him dropping 6 albums in 6 years helps his case..if anything that usually hurts an artist and oversatures em..

its that he was able to change his sound every album. those that weren't able to do this grew stale(50 cent, dmx nelly etc). Hov's the madonna of rap.

and he's the GOAT..not opinion. facts only :jawalrus:

you have to be young and never bought an album in the slow burn sales days.
no artist used to come out every eight months and had popular impact till kiss.
after kiss, sold out and failed on disco forays and the elder.
they fell back from that release schedule and it was not used.
as it made the permeation of the artist to much for the market to bare for the consumer.
it was not until busta had gold then platinum success, in less than a year's time from the coming to the disaster strikes albums.
with one of the longest running and drawing goat club back to back banger runs, with put your hands where my eyes can see, and danger.
did jay and the rest of the rap industry take notice, and emulate busta's blueprint to platinum success.
jay failed to emulate busta's success sales and permeation wise before volume ii.
it was not till volume ii, that running the busta/kiss schedule did jay have success.

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