Inside One of America's Most Dangerous Schools

[MAKAVELI25]

If we're gonna go on and on about school and electives and stuff like that, I have a minor in American Politics on deck

I know how the American government works pretty well and the states speaking from a fiscal standpoint have been demolished after the recession. Obama passed the stimulus in 2009 and that there was probably the best thing he did, and there's nothing saying he can't do something for these kids. It's not fake outrage, I really truly care about those lil nikkas.

I'm gonna tag my nikka @Poitier ... have I said, unbiased, that Obama should do anything right now that he can't do? Have I asked him to overstep his powers as a President? If I have just check me here.

Nobody is denying that you care for the kids, but that doesn't mean that you should dispel common sense.

1. Obama is part of the Fed Govt. He cannot COMPEL the states to do anything, all he can do is offer incentives, and that's assuming that the legislative branch even approves of what he is doing

2. Even if Obama COULD do something, why would he be the best person to do so when states are largely in charge of Education?

It's like people think Obama is the President of Black people as opposed to the WHOLE COUNTRY

 

[Broke Wave]

Nobody is denying that you care for the kids, but that doesn't mean that you should dispel common sense.

1. Obama is part of the Fed Govt. He cannot COMPEL the states to do anything, all he can do is offer incentives, and that's assuming that the legislative branch even approves of what he is doing

2. Even if Obama COULD do something, why would he be the best person to do so when states are largely in charge of Education?

It's like people think Obama is the President of Black people as opposed to the WHOLE COUNTRY

YOU don't know how the government works it seems.

Last presidency Bush passed NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. It was a sweeping and clear overhaul of the entire education system. Look it up if you don't remember it. It's a big fukking deal. Obama could do something literally 1/10th of that size in scope and I'd be happy with a grin on my face. Instead he doesn't even try. Why could Bush make power moves like that and Obama cant?

 

[kp404]

Nobody is denying that you care for the kids, but that doesn't mean that you should dispel common sense.

1. Obama is part of the Fed Govt. He cannot COMPEL the states to do anything, all he can do is offer incentives, and that's assuming that the legislative branch even approves of what he is doing

2. Even if Obama COULD do something, why would he be the best person to do so when states are largely in charge of Education?

It's like people think Obama is the President of Black people as opposed to the WHOLE COUNTRY

You can tell who knows how the government works by reading some of these posts on the site...its baffling to think that people still don't know how executive powers work but oh well

 

[Poitier]

Nobody is denying that you care for the kids, but that doesn't mean that you should dispel common sense.

1. Obama is part of the Fed Govt. He cannot COMPEL the states to do anything, all he can do is offer incentives, and that's assuming that the legislative branch even approves of what he is doing

2. Even if Obama COULD do something, why would he be the best person to do so when states are largely in charge of Education?

It's like people think Obama is the President of Black people as opposed to the WHOLE COUNTRY

Obama isn't the president of the whole country, he is the president of special interest groups with the deepest pockets.

And education is a state issue but like @Broke Wave said, subsidies at the federal level level happens in all sectors. Take out Black schools and replace it with the less coded word "public schools" (though its damn near the same thing in 2014) and I don't see the issue and creating some kind of stimulus. Schools bust their asses to get grants, brehs.

Look, until public goods are invested in at the federal and state level, Black people are going nowhere. You have states rejecting aid for high speed rail lines and new tech labs for schools because they want to reduce the deficit wtf

 

[kp404]

YOU don't know how the government works it seems.

Last presidency Bush passed NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. It was a sweeping and clear overhaul of the entire education system. Look it up if you don't remember it. It's a big fukking deal. Obama could do something literally 1/10th of that size in scope and I'd be happy with a grin on my face. Instead he doesn't even try. Why could Bush make power moves like that and Obama cant?

Sir, you need to read the history behind No Child Left Behind because that was not a solely presidential measure...so many pieces from the state had to get on board with it for it to go into power...you oversimplifying a very complex process that involves states and federal working together; Obama cannot pass something that big without state power

 

[MAKAVELI25]

YOU don't know how the government works it seems.

Last presidency Bush passed NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. It was a sweeping and clear overhaul of the entire education system. Look it up if you don't remember it. It's a big fukking deal. Obama could do something literally 1/10th of that size in scope and I'd be happy with a grin on my face. Instead he doesn't even try. Why could Bush make power moves like that and Obama cant?

No child left behind was an extension from ESEA, a program President Johnson enacted in the 1960's, all Bush did was create additional guidelines that are supposed to come to fruition THIS YEAR. What exactly would you have Obama do?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Sir, you need to read the history behind No Child Left Behind because that was not a solely presidential measure...so many pieces from the state had to get on board with it for it to go into power...you oversimplifying a very complex process that involves states and federal working together; Obama cannot pass something that big without state power

Exactly, and it applies to schools THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING. Like I said before, The Fed Govt. CANNOT COMPEL STATES TO DO ANYTHING, ONLY OFFER INCENTIVES

 

[Broke Wave]

Sir, you need to read the history behind No Child Left Behind because that was not a solely presidential measure...so many pieces from the state had to get on board with it for it to go into power...you oversimplifying a very complex process that involves states and federal working together; Obama cannot pass something that big without state power

He can't do ANYTHING without at least TRYING. Can he at least try and fail? NCLB was basically the federal government bossing up on the states and letting them know whose in charge. That's real talk and I think you are a teacher or were so you know what I'm talking about. Those federal standards we're a power move, right or wrong.

Why would Obama need to states to make changes to the Dept of Education? Why doesn't Obama champion these kids and at least advocate using the biggest platform on Earth? Bush used the pulpit to force DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL Senators and Congressmen to vote for the worst war ever. They didn't even agree with it but they went along with it because they knew if they voted no in some districts they woulda got booted.

@MAKAVELI25 there you have it. I would look for Obama to have a funding initiative paid for by closing some loophole (Washington loves this bullshyt) so that it's revenue neutral that supports kids in failing schools across America. It'll be resisted at first, then I want him to go out and push it and the 2014 elections are around the corner. Make it an issue election and boom it's over for these nikkas. It's that simple. It's been done many times in America.

 

[kp404]

Exactly, and it applies to schools THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING. Like I said before, The Fed Govt. CANNOT COMPEL STATES TO DO ANYTHING, ONLY OFFER INCENTIVES

Exactly. This isn't really that difficult; I can;t believe this discussion has gone this long in here

 

[Poitier]

Exactly, and it applies to schools THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING. Like I said before, The Fed Govt. CANNOT COMPEL STATES TO DO ANYTHING, ONLY OFFER INCENTIVES

Its a start

And wake me up when Obama creates a public works program which would quickly bring us out of the low-wage economy but the nikka is apathetic

 

[kp404]

He can't do ANYTHING without at least TRYING. Can he at least try and fail? NCLB was basically the federal government bossing up on the states and letting them know whose in charge. That's real talk and I think you are a teacher or were so you know what I'm talking about. Those federal standards we're a power move, right or wrong.

Why would Obama need to states to make changes to the Dept of Education? Why doesn't Obama champion these kids and at least advocate using the biggest platform on Earth? Bush used the pulpit to force DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL Senators and Congressmen to vote for the worst war ever. They didn't even agree with it but they went along with it because they knew if they voted no in some districts they woulda got booted.

I said this back at the beginning of the thread and @Poitier said it too...he is not the president of the people, he is the president of interest groups and capitalists; his job is to keep the economy going and keep the owners happy; the only way to do that is to keep the labor force large and keep the owners of the means and mode of production low...

you have a very naive view of what presidents do breh..its time to get out of fairy tale land and come into reality; the only way black schools will get better is if blacks (not co-optation elites) take the state government positions and then you will see transformations.

I'm not arguing with you and I agree that Obama is doing nothing for education or anything that could shift the black masses' socioeconomic condition, but my point is that the federal government is set up that way

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Its a start

And wake me up when Obama creates a public works program which would quickly bring us out of the low-wage economy but the nikka is apathetic

The nikka is apathetic? How can you say that about the dude who helped passed the Affordable Healthcare Act?

 

[The Nigerian]

More poverty porn. Y'all realize that this is all by design. These videos are just status reports.

 

[Broke Wave]

I said this back at the beginning of the thread and @Poitier said it too...he is not the president of the people, he is the president of interest groups and capitalists; his job is to keep the economy going and keep the owners happy; the only way to do that is to keep the labor force large and keep the owners of the means and mode of production low...

you have a very naive view of what presidents do breh..its time to get out of fairy tale land and come into reality; the only way black schools will get better is if blacks (not co-optation elites) take the state government positions and then you will see transformations.

I'm not arguing with you and I agree that Obama is doing nothing for education or anything that could shift the black masses' socioeconomic condition, but my point is that the federal government is set up that way

nikka... you're agreeing with me

I don't live in fairytale land... I was paining this picture of Obama 3 pages ago. I said where is Obama to wake people up from their obsession with him and their love for him. I agree with your soloutions too, everything has to happen at the grass roots. I'm just arguing with these negros who think Obama can't do anything when he clearly can.

 

[Kaypain]

fukk all those dumb ass white people wit their comments