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I was going to address this in TLR, but I think this would be a little too detailed for brehs/brehettes over there. :russ:

I noticed the responses in here aren't disputing the actual article




I feel like I should address this article you keep posting, as well as one @newworldafro posted in another thread (that was marked as spam :mjlol: and rightfully so :lolbron:) that sources this Consortium report:

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

I work in IT as my day job. My job involves some infosec (mostly blue team focused), so I have some expertise with some of the concepts discussed.

I'm pretty sure neither you nor @newworldafro will be convinced by this post, and you'll probably keep citing it elsewhere, but since helpdesk is currently slow and I'm caught up on my projects, so I decided to read both articles and I got a little time to do a semi-detailed analysis :ehh:

One sec. :mjgrin:
 
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I was going to address this in TLR, but I think this would be a little too detailed for brehs/brehettes over there. :russ:







I feel like I should address this article you keep posting, as well as one @newworldafro posted in another thread (that was marked as spam :mjlol: and rightfully so :lolbron:) that sources this Consortium report:

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

I work in IT as my day job. My job involves some infosec (mostly blue team focused), so I have some expertise with some of the concepts discussed.

I'm pretty sure neither you nor @newworldafro will be convinced by this post, and you'll probably keep citing it elsewhere, but since helpdesk is currently slow and I'm caught up on my projects, so I decided to read both articles and I got a little time to do a semi-detailed analysis :ehh:

One sec.
:russell: I'll save you some time

Time to Reassess the Roles Played by Guccifer 2.0 and Russia in the D…
 

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Not too long after I started reading, I found something pretty problematic with one of their key claims. :ohhh:

Consortium News said:
The Key Event

July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.

The Nation article breaks it down a little further.

The Nation said:
Forensicator’s first decisive findings, made public in the paper dated July 9, concerned the volume of the supposedly hacked material and what is called the transfer rate—the time a remote hack would require. The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed. Compounding this contradiction, Guccifer claimed to have run his hack from Romania, which, for numerous reasons technically called delivery overheads, would slow down the speed of a hack even further from maximum achievable speeds.

So this is their key claim. There are several other claims made, but I'm speaking on what I know. :hubie:

Internet speeds are usually measured in megabits per second (Mbps). A bit is the smallest unit of data we typically work with.

These two articles refer to 1,976 megabytes being downloaded in 87 seconds, or approximately 22.7 megabytes per second. :jbhmm:

For reference, there are eight bits in one byte. By the same scale, we can also say there are eight megabits in one megabyte.

One megabit is 1 million bits. So there are eight million bits in a megabyte.

You follow me? Good. :myman:

It's actually pretty common to confuse megabits with megabytes; the distinction isn't really meaningful for most people. :ehh:

However, if we're talking about something being "IMPOSSIBLE" :damn: then it is necessary to distinguish the two. Let's say this: the claim is that it is "impossible" to download data at 22.7 megabytes per second.

If we measure this by the standard measure of megabits per second (Mbps), 22.7 MB/s breaks down into 181.6 Mbps.

Guccifer 2.0 (who claimed credit for the hack) would have to have at least a connection speed of 181 Mbps. Is this "impossible"?

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Here's a video of a Comcast user getting 180 Mbps on Comcast.



The Nation article also cites the idea of "delivery overheads" that further affect the speed of the connection, given that Guccifer 2.0 claimed to be in Romania, but surprise! :ohhh:

Which country has the #1 fastest peak internet connection in Europe and #10 fastest in the world? :bpthink:

Romania*! :mjgrin:

*Source

A delivery overhead wouldn't have much of an effect. Romania gets an average peak connection speed of 89.9 Mbps (which again, is an average, meaning much higher individual speeds can be achieved, especially if a commercial connection is being used).
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Not too long after I started reading, I found something pretty problematic with one of their key claims. :ohhh:



The Nation article breaks it down a little further.



So this is their key claim. There are several other claims made, but I'm speaking on what I know. :hubie:

Internet speeds are usually measured in megabits per second (Mbps). A bit is the smallest unit of data we typically work with.

These two articles refer to 1,976 megabytes being downloaded in 87 seconds, or approximately 22.7 megabytes per second. :jbhmm:

For reference, there are eight bits in one byte. By the same scale, we can also say there are eight megabits in one megabyte.

One megabit is 1 million bits. So there are eight million bits in a megabyte.

You follow me? Good. :myman:

It's actually pretty common to confuse megabits with megabytes; the distinction isn't really meaningful for most people. :ehh:

However, if we're talking about something being "IMPOSSIBLE" :damn: then it is necessary to distinguish the two. Let's say this: the claim is that it is "impossible" to download data at 22.7 megabytes per second.

If we measure this by the standard measure of megabits per second (Mbps), 22.7 MB/s breaks down into 181.6 Mbps.

Guccifer 2.0 (who claimed credit for the hack) would have to have at least a connection speed of 181 Mbps. Is this "impossible"?

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So either the analysts unintentionally fudged their numbers, or you have some high-level infosec guys who have never heard of a fiber optic connection. :russ:
 

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Here's a video of a Comcast user getting 180 Mbps on Comcast.



The Nation article also cites the idea of "delivery overheads" that further affect the speed of the connection, given that Guccifer 2.0 claimed to be in Romania, but surprise! :ohhh:

Which country has the #1 fastest peak internet connection in Europe and #10 fastest in the world? :bpthink:

Romania*! :mjgrin:

*Source

A delivery overhead wouldn't have much of an effect. Romania gets an average peak connection speed of 89.9 Mbps (which again, is an average, meaning much higher individual speeds can be achieved, especially if a commercial connection is being used).
:mjgrin::mjgrin::mjgrin:

But are they getting that same speed from a single source overseas?
 

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