Intellectual Rap

[southpawstyle]

 

[Prae]

 

[The Ruler 09]

 

[Knights89]

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You could be a mack, a pimp, hustler or player
But make sure live you is a dope rhyme sayer

some of these guys aint dope rhyme sayers

 

[The Ruler 09]

 

[cinna_man]

Gettin' a bit off topic, but....

Better than twerking:

 

[Ciggavelli]

Killah Priest to some extent
Shabazz Palaces (I think his name is Ish...?)
Ghost or Nas if you want stories.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Add Kool Moe Dee, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Ras Kass, Papoose, Saigon.

 

[notorious8562]

at some of the shyt said in this thread.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

somebody neg this fukking honkey..

with this cac shyt

 

[360crazy]

Ya boy...

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

my mothafukkin list(no cacs included) : tupac,nas,lupe fiasco,big krit,krs,kid cudi,andre 3k,rakim,scarface,bushwick bill,my nikka trick daddy, BOOSIE,tyler the creator (only on wolf),david banner,etc. the list goes on and on

 

[Diunx]

I'm not impressed...

yet you are impressed by the dude from community?

 

[cinna_man]

my mothafukkin list(no cacs included) : tupac,nas,lupe fiasco,big krit,krs,kid cudi,andre 3k,rakim,scarface,bushwick bill,my nikka trick daddy, BOOSIE,tyler the creator (only on wolf),david banner,etc. the list goes on and on

Thanks for that neg. You really showed me who's boss. I guess I could respond and call you a c00n, and then you would feel the need to get even more rustled. Or I could not, avoiding that drama. I guess, either way, I'm still going to be a c.a.c. in your eyes, not that I give a shyt. Grow up...

 

[cinna_man]

Well okay
1. You don't like "fiction" but you like rap/poetry ? what ?
Are you unaware that's a contradictory stance in the first place ?

2. I'd argue that the musical side of rapping is just as intellectual.
On top of that which aspect of rapping are we talking about ? Rap is a PACKAGE.
It's both delivery AND the written aspect.
In that sense it's like spoken word more than written/printed poetry you'd read in your free time and decipher.

3. I REJECT your idea of "intellectual rap" being entirely based on verses.
"intellectual rap" to me is all encompassing, it doesn't stop at the verses.
Some of THE best rappers of all time establish mood with the instrumental.
Inject emotion into their delivery AND still write the lyrics to match.
THAT'S what gives Rap it's uniqueness which is far more than just a string
of literary devices for the sake of it.

4. @ dissing one of the generals from the Wu and having Gambino
in your list a rapper who spent most of his career copying one of the "Gangster Rappers"
you seem to have a low opinion of.

You don't give a fukk about flow because you have no fukking idea what flowing or the act of RAPPING is.

Or how my boy El-P put it


I know white rappers who claim they're more artistic
and advanced than the inner city tune is
Now you're fukked up and can't move units
Cause you know nothing in a culture that created hip-hop music
Stuck in an authenticity contest with a bunch
of cats that grew up in the exact same way that you did (Now where do you fit?)

El-P Constellation Funk

That's because this is Hip Hop, bragging is one of THE premier aspects of Emceeing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapping

Rapping (also known as rap music, emceeing,[1] MCing,[1] spitting [bars],[2] or rhyming[3]) refers to "spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics".[4] The art form can be broken down into different components, as in the book How to Rap where it is separated into "content", "flow" (rhythm and rhyme), and "delivery".[5] Rapping is distinct from spoken word poetry in that it is performed in time to a beat.[6][7] Rapping is often associated with and a primary ingredient of hip hop music, but the origins of the phenomenon can be said to predate hip hop culture by centuries. It can also be found in alternative rock such as that of Cake and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Rapping is also used in Kwaito music, a genre that originated in Johannesburg, South Africa and is composed of hip hop elements. Since the early 21st century, it has been possible to hear rap in every major language of the world.

Proto-rap
Art forms such as spoken word jazz poetry and comedy records had an influence on the first rappers.[25] Coke La Rock, often credited as hip-hop's first MC[26] cites the Last Poets among his influences, as well as comedians such as The Wild Man Steve and Richard Pryor.[25] Comedian Rudy Ray Moore released under the counter albums in the 1960s and 1970s such as This p*ssy Belongs To Me (1970), which contained "raunchy, sexually explicit rhymes that often had to do with pimps, prostitutes, players, and hustlers",[27] and which later led to him being called "The Godfather of Rap".[28]

See, rap does not belong to you. It has a long history and a wide spread. And within that history is something very close to what I am talking about. The 1980s and onward version of rap is not all that rap is.

I know white rappers who claim they're more artistic
and advanced than the inner city tune is
Now you're fukked up and can't move units
Cause you know nothing in a culture that created hip-hop music
Stuck in an authenticity contest with a bunch
of cats that grew up in the exact same way that you did (Now where do you fit?)

What a fukking sellout this El-P is to say that everybody grew up the same. He must get on his knees and worship your ass.

I did use the term intellectual, but that's just the best way I can describe this form of music. It's your fault if you don't like it. I'm not shytting on anyone's artistic-ness or advanced-ness.

The only one stuck in an authenticity contest is you. You're saying what I like is not authentic, and what you like is. IRONIC



Why do you take it so personally if I don't like particular rappers? I'm not saying my taste is any more valuable than anyone else's.

In fact, read the very first lines of my original post.

I've heard the old argument that flow and beat production is important. If you talk about these things, this thread is not for you. fukk the musical side of rap for a minute.

You don't like what I'm talking about. I said the thread wasn't something worth your while. Why are you getting all bent out of shape?