INTERESTING STAT IN KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE.

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U JUST MAD CUZ DREXLER IS NOWHERE NEAR THIS CONVERSATION.....EVEN LEBRON IS BETTER THAN DREXLER:umad:

Why would I care about Drexler see now I know you stupid my screen name is drexlers cut for obvious reasons the dude looked like a clown but now I'm a stan...damn u dumb

Answer this though is Bean Flabby and sick right now:sas2:
 

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Why would I care about Drexler see now I know you stupid my screen name is drexlers cut for obvious reasons the dude looked like a clown but now I'm a stan...damn u dumb

Answer this though is Bean Flabby and sick right now:sas2:
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Ooh ooh I know the answer.
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Jordan was more efficient in every facet of the game:

At least, I think most people will agree that Jordan did more in his career than Kobe. But I also suspect that Kobe is “like Mike.” In other words, I imagine many people think the gap between these two players isn’t that large. The data, though, seem to tell a different story. Jordan isn’t just better than Kobe; in fact, when we measure the difference, we see that no one should suggest these two players are similar.

The NBA tracks a variety of box score statistics to measure player performance. When we look at these numbers for Jordan and Kobe, it is clear that the former has a significant edge. For example, when we compare what Jordan did for the Chicago Bulls to what Kobe did for the Lakers (before this season), although their scoring totals are similar, Jordan was the more efficient scorer. With the Bulls, MJ had an
effective field goal percentage of 51.83%. In contrast, Kobe’s mark with the Lakers is only 48.72%. To put that in perspective, the average shooting guard in the NBA (since the 1979-80 season when the three-point shot was added to the NBA) has an effective field goal percentage of 48.56%. In sum, Kobe has not been much better than average with respect to shooting from the field.

Jordan’s advantages with respect to Kobe, though, are not confined to shooting from the field. On a per-minute basis, Jordan also did more than Kobe has with respect to rebounds, assists, steals and blocked shots. Jordan was also less likely to commit turnovers, less likely to draw a personal foul and more likely to draw a foul. In sum, with respect to everything in the box score, Jordan was simply better.

Let’s begin with each player at his best.
In 1988-89, Jordan produced 26.5 wins as a 25-year old shooting guard. Kobe’s best season was in 2002-03. As a 24-year old shooting guard for the LA Lakers, Kobe produced 13.0 wins. So each player hit his peak in his mid-20s (that is actually fairly normal for a basketball player). And at each player’s peak, Jordan was nearly twice as productive.


Across each player’s entire career (up until this season), it’s the same story. Jordan finished his career with the Bulls in 1998 (we will ignore his ill-fated return to the Washington Wizards when he was 38 years old). Here is what MJ did for the Bulls:

  • 35,887 minutes played
  • 204.8 wins produced
  • 0.274 wins produced per 48 minutes
Meanwhile, here are Kobe’s career numbers before this season:

  • 45,225 minutes played
  • 138.7 wins produced
  • 0.147 wins produced per 48 minutes

Kobe’s inability to excel with respect shooting efficiently was noted recently in
an article by Henry Abbott for ESPN The Magazine.

Bryant has fired away for nearly two decades. He’s fourth on the NBA’s all-time scoring list, trailing only Kareem, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan. He’s also just a few weeks’ play from setting an all-time league record for misses. “The problem is, he’s just not as good as he thinks he is,” says one source in the Lakers’ inner circle. “He’s just not as efficient as he thinks he is.

This passage essentially captures the weakness in Kobe’s game. Kobe will soon pass Jordan in scoring totals. But he will also soon pass everyone else in missed shots.

Those missed shots matter. The key to evaluating players is to make sure you measure accurately the positives and the negatives. In other words, accurate evaluation requires you get past the “scoring illusion” (i.e., placing too much emphasis on scoring totals in evaluating basketball players). When you take that step, it becomes clear that Jordan did much more than Kobe, and Kobe is nowhere close to being “like Mike.”




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EFFICIENCY IS ALL ABOUT RANGE .. SHAQ SHOT A BETTER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN, BUT WOULD U SAY HE'S A BETTER SCORER? THE ANSWER IS NO..THE LESS RANGE U HAVE, THE HIGHER YOUR SHOOTING PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE. KOBE IS A MUCH BETTER SHOOTER THAN JORDAN, THUS SHOT MORE THREES, HENCE THE NATURALLY LOWER PERCENTAGE....IN ESSENCE, THATS AN ARGUMENT AGAINST JORDAN IN THE KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE, NOT FOR HIM.
 

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Why would I care about Drexler see now I know you stupid my screen name is drexlers cut for obvious reasons the dude looked like a clown but now I'm a stan...damn u dumb

Answer this though is Bean Flabby and sick right now:sas2:


YEA RIGHT, DREXLER IS YOUR IDOL, STOP LYIN SON
 

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EFFICIENCY IS ALL ABOUT RANGE .. SHAQ SHOT A BETTER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN, BUT WOULD U SAY HE'S A BETTER SCORER? THE ANSWER IS NO..THE LESS RANGE U HAVE, THE HIGHER YOUR SHOOTING PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE. KOBE IS A MUCH BETTER SHOOTER THAN JORDAN, THUS SHOT MORE THREES, HENCE THE NATURALLY LOWER PERCENTAGE....IN ESSENCE, THATS AN ARGUMENT AGAINST JORDAN IN THE KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE, NOT FOR HIM.


most people wont understand this.

Jordan never took a fraction of the difficult shots kobe took every single game (range and difficulty)

and despite that kobe's FG% was only less by 5%, which equates to about 1 shot making difference.

Jordan was never the shooter that kobe was
 

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EFFICIENCY IS ALL ABOUT RANGE .. SHAQ SHOT A BETTER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN, BUT WOULD U SAY HE'S A BETTER SCORER? THE ANSWER IS NO..THE LESS RANGE U HAVE, THE HIGHER YOUR SHOOTING PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE. KOBE IS A MUCH BETTER SHOOTER THAN JORDAN, THUS SHOT MORE THREES, HENCE THE NATURALLY LOWER PERCENTAGE....IN ESSENCE, THATS AN ARGUMENT AGAINST JORDAN IN THE KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE, NOT FOR HIM.

Kobe had to have deeper range, since he was never as strong (nor as smart) as Jordan was when it came to bullying defenders down, deeper, into the post. Tex Winter has stated this and even Phil Jackson has alluded to this when describing Jordan's broader shoulders. Jordan scored more points, in a more efficient manner, over an 82 game season throughout his career than Kobe has, that's not an opinion that's a phukin fact, Jordan has scored more points in the playoffs than Kobe has on average, if you want to give Kobe the Cal Ripken award for cumulative numbers, go right ahead.

But don't sit there and tell me that bullsh1t about range! When it's really that Kobe never had the superior impulse control that Jordan did, when it came to picking his spots.
 

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most people wont understand this.

Jordan never took a fraction of the difficult shots kobe took every single game (range and difficulty)

and despite that kobe's FG% was only less by 5%, which equates to about 1 shot making difference.

Jordan was never the shooter that kobe was


Where was Kobe's godly range in his post-shaq NBA finals career where you play against the best team of the opposite conference? In the 92 Finals, people like you were saying Jordan had no range, in game 1, under the biggest stage and the brightest lights, he blacked out and reigned on Portland. Jordan didn't need to take the type of difficult long-range that Kobe did, because he was a smarter basketball player!!

Since when you get points for making stupid-decisions??!! It's Kobe's decision and Kobe's decision only, to take bad shots and not only take them, but miss them more than he makes them!!! FOH
 

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Where was Kobe's godly range in his post-shaq NBA finals career where you play against the best team of the opposite conference? In the 92 Finals, people like you were saying Jordan had no range, in game 1, under the biggest stage and the brightest lights, he blacked out and reigned on Portland. Jordan didn't need to take the type of difficult long-range that Kobe did, because he was a smarter basketball player!!

Since when you get points for making stupid-decisions??!! It's Kobe's decision and Kobe's decision only, to take bad shots and not only take them, but miss them more than he makes them!!! FOH


What the fuk are you talking about? Post shaq, Kobe had teammates worse than anything jordan ever had in his life. At least when Kobe ball hogged, he was forced to do so, unlike jordan who literally had trust issues with his teammates in the beginning of his career.

What stupid decisions are you talking about? For a player to be taking far more difficult shots from greater distance and to only average one more miss per game is called stupid decisions?

this is fkin embarrassing
 

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What the fuk are you talking about? Post shaq, Kobe had teammates worse than anything jordan ever had in his life. At least when Kobe ball hogged, he was forced to do so, unlike jordan who literally had trust issues with his teammates in the beginning of his career.

What stupid decisions are you talking about? For a player to be taking far more difficult shots from greater distance and to only average one more miss per game is called stupid decisions?

this is fkin embarrassing

If by difficult shots you mean less efficient shots :jbhmm: from greater distances:patrice:
 

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If he was my idol dumb ass why would I play him and not buff his balls like you do with Bean you can't find one post with me mentioning Drexler...:camby:

Just answer the question is Kobe flabby and sick:umad:



CUZ U IN DENIAL LIKE A CLOSET HOMO SCARED 2 COME OUT


AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, KOBE ALWAYS BEEN SICK.. TF KINDA DUMBASS QUESTION IS THAT? :childplease:
 

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Kobe had to have deeper range, since he was never as strong (nor as smart) as Jordan was when it came to bullying defenders down, deeper, into the post. Tex Winter has stated this and even Phil Jackson has alluded to this when describing Jordan's broader shoulders. Jordan scored more points, in a more efficient manner, over an 82 game season throughout his career than Kobe has, that's not an opinion that's a phukin fact, Jordan has scored more points in the playoffs than Kobe has on average, if you want to give Kobe the Cal Ripken award for cumulative numbers, go right ahead.

But don't sit there and tell me that bullsh1t about range! When it's really that Kobe never had the superior impulse control that Jordan did, when it came to picking his spots.


PHIL ALSO SAID KOBE WAS MUCH MORE SKILLED THAN JORDAN AND THAT THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM WAS THAT MJ HAD BIGGER HANDS


LIKE THE MATHEMATICS IN THIS THREAD SHOWS, IF KOBE PLAYED ON A TEAM LIKE THE BULLS IN THE 80S, HE'D HAVE SOME 40 PPG SEASONS UNDER HIS BELT. IT'S ALL CIRCUMSTANTIAL. SKILL FOR SKILL, THERE IS NOTHIN MJ CAN DO THAT KOBE CANT.
 

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Where was Kobe's godly range in his post-shaq NBA finals career where you play against the best team of the opposite conference? In the 92 Finals, people like you were saying Jordan had no range, in game 1, under the biggest stage and the brightest lights, he blacked out and reigned on Portland. Jordan didn't need to take the type of difficult long-range that Kobe did, because he was a smarter basketball player!!

Since when you get points for making stupid-decisions??!! It's Kobe's decision and Kobe's decision only, to take bad shots and not only take them, but miss them more than he makes them!!! FOH


JORDAN DIDNT FACE THE DEFENDERS AND INTRICATE DEFENSIVE SCHEMES OF TODAY THAT KOBE DID.. HE WAS USUALLY BEIN GUARDED BY THE LIKES OF CRAIG EHLO, HERSEY HAWKINS, JEFF HORNACEK. DIFFERENT ERA, DIFFERENT GAME.
 

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If by difficult shots you mean less efficient shots :jbhmm: from greater distances:patrice:

illegal defense rules also gave Jordan an edge in getting "easier" shots.


so what do we got so far?

- kobe took harder shots from longer range
- kobe was doubled and tripled more consistently than jordan was
- despite all that, he only averaged 1 more missed shot per game than jordan
 
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