INTERESTING STAT IN KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE.

[Bilz]

EFFICIENCY IS ALL ABOUT RANGE .. SHAQ SHOT A BETTER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN, BUT WOULD U SAY HE'S A BETTER SCORER? THE ANSWER IS NO..THE LESS RANGE U HAVE, THE HIGHER YOUR SHOOTING PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE. KOBE IS A MUCH BETTER SHOOTER THAN JORDAN, THUS SHOT MORE THREES, HENCE THE NATURALLY LOWER PERCENTAGE....IN ESSENCE, THATS AN ARGUMENT AGAINST JORDAN IN THE KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE, NOT FOR HIM.

So you rank Kobe below Iverson and Stackhouse as far as range and efficiency and scoring and all that right? They shot lower percentages so by your logic they were more efficient

 

[Rigby.]

Jordan was more efficient in every facet of the game:

At least, I think most people will agree that Jordan did more in his career than Kobe. But I also suspect that Kobe is “like Mike.” In other words, I imagine many people think the gap between these two players isn’t that large. The data, though, seem to tell a different story. Jordan isn’t just better than Kobe; in fact, when we measure the difference, we see that no one should suggest these two players are similar.

The NBA tracks a variety of box score statistics to measure player performance. When we look at these numbers for Jordan and Kobe, it is clear that the former has a significant edge. For example, when we compare what Jordan did for the Chicago Bulls to what Kobe did for the Lakers (before this season), although their scoring totals are similar, Jordan was the more efficient scorer. With the Bulls, MJ had an effective field goal percentage of 51.83%. In contrast, Kobe’s mark with the Lakers is only 48.72%. To put that in perspective, the average shooting guard in the NBA (since the 1979-80 season when the three-point shot was added to the NBA) has an effective field goal percentage of 48.56%. In sum, Kobe has not been much better than average with respect to shooting from the field.

Jordan’s advantages with respect to Kobe, though, are not confined to shooting from the field. On a per-minute basis, Jordan also did more than Kobe has with respect to rebounds, assists, steals and blocked shots. Jordan was also less likely to commit turnovers, less likely to draw a personal foul and more likely to draw a foul. In sum, with respect to everything in the box score, Jordan was simply better.

Let’s begin with each player at his best. In 1988-89, Jordan produced 26.5 wins as a 25-year old shooting guard. Kobe’s best season was in 2002-03. As a 24-year old shooting guard for the LA Lakers, Kobe produced 13.0 wins. So each player hit his peak in his mid-20s (that is actually fairly normal for a basketball player). And at each player’s peak, Jordan was nearly twice as productive.


Across each player’s entire career (up until this season), it’s the same story. Jordan finished his career with the Bulls in 1998 (we will ignore his ill-fated return to the Washington Wizards when he was 38 years old). Here is what MJ did for the Bulls:

• 35,887 minutes played
• 204.8 wins produced
• 0.274 wins produced per 48 minutes

Meanwhile, here are Kobe’s career numbers before this season:

• 45,225 minutes played
• 138.7 wins produced
• 0.147 wins produced per 48 minutes

Kobe’s inability to excel with respect shooting efficiently was noted recently in an article by Henry Abbott for ESPN The Magazine.

Bryant has fired away for nearly two decades. He’s fourth on the NBA’s all-time scoring list, trailing only Kareem, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan. He’s also just a few weeks’ play from setting an all-time league record for misses. “The problem is, he’s just not as good as he thinks he is,” says one source in the Lakers’ inner circle. “He’s just not as efficient as he thinks he is.

This passage essentially captures the weakness in Kobe’s game. Kobe will soon pass Jordan in scoring totals. But he will also soon pass everyone else in missed shots.

Those missed shots matter. The key to evaluating players is to make sure you measure accurately the positives and the negatives. In other words, accurate evaluation requires you get past the “scoring illusion” (i.e., placing too much emphasis on scoring totals in evaluating basketball players). When you take that step, it becomes clear that Jordan did much more than Kobe, and Kobe is nowhere close to being “like Mike.”

Breh you did too much work, this dumb ass nikka won't accept real stats

nikka used one of the most contrived and contextless stats I've ever seen

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

NOT IN TERMS OF SCORING

 

[Sccit]

No you can't

YES...YES, YOU CAN

(AS LONG AS YOUR NOT BRAINWASHED BY THE MASS MEDIA AGENDA/JORDAN BRANDING IN YOUR MIND/ESPN NARRATIVES)

 

[Rigby.]

YES...YES, YOU CAN

(AS LONG AS YOUR NOT BRAINWASHED BY THE MASS MEDIA AGENDA/JORDAN BRANDING IN YOUR MIND/ESPN NARRATIVES)

Any human being that has copied another human being's ability without further improving on said ability cannot then be called better than the second human being, yes? That's just being a lesser person

 

[Sccit]

SNITCHBOY, U STILL PUSHIN THAT HARD LINE, HUH?

 

[Sccit]

Any human being that has copied another human being's ability without further improving on said ability cannot then be called better than the second human being, yes? That's just being a lesser person

HE DIDN'T FURTHER IMPROVE ON JORDAN'S STROKE AND RANGE? HE DIDN'T FURTHER IMPROVE ON JORDAN'S BALL-HANDLING ABILITIES? TRY AGAIN

 

[Rigby.]

HE DIDN'T FURTHER IMPROVE ON JORDAN'S STROKE AND RANGE? HE DIDN'T FURTHER IMPROVE ON JORDAN'S BALL-HANDLING ABILITIES? TRY AGAIN

Kobe is less efficient and has more turnovers

 

[Sccit]

So you rank Kobe below Iverson and Stackhouse as far as range and efficiency and scoring and all that right? They shot lower percentages so by your logic they were more efficient

SURELY, U CANT BE THIS RETARDED.....


FOR THE SLOW, ALLEN IVERSON AND JERRY STACKHOUSE DIDNT SHOOT A LOWER PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE RANGE...THEY SHOT A LOWER PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THEY WERE INFERIOR PLAYERS. SIMPLE SCIENCE.

 

[Sccit]

Kobe is less efficient and has more turnovers

KOBE IS A MORE EFFICIENT FREE THROW SHOOTER AND DEADLIER FROM LONG RANGE....BOTH HAVE THEIR AREAS WHERE THEY'RE SUPERIOR IN. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS NO GAP BETWEEN THEM LIKE JORDAN BRANDING/MASS MEDIA/NBA+ESPN MARKETING AGENDA WOULD LIKE U TO BELIEVE

 

[Bilz]

SURELY, U CANT BE THIS RETARDED.....

If I keep reading your posts, I soon will be.

 

[Luke Cage]

According to this thread logic Carmelo Anthony is > than MJ for the same reasons Kobe is.
And apparently it was easier to score in the 90s because hand checking and HOF big men protecting paint naturally increases your FG % when you score mostly off dunks and midrange jumpers.

 

[fifth column]

This is such a confusing thread. Mind boggling indeed, so Kobe is better/more skilled than MJ and I appreciated Kobe but breh

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

This is such a confusing thread. Mind boggling indeed, so Kobe is better/more skilled than MJ and I appreciated Kobe but breh

Shame on the mods for allowing posters like this in here. Anyone who has had a worse year than swagnificent really shouldn't be here.

 

[DrexlersFade]

CUZ U IN DENIAL LIKE A CLOSET HOMO SCARED 2 COME OUT


AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, KOBE ALWAYS BEEN SICK.. TF KINDA DUMBASS QUESTION IS THAT?

Yeah took you 6 responses to answer a question you wasn't asked nice spin try though