"Ironheart" Six Episode series on Disney+ (June 24,2025)

[King_Kamala61]

I liked the show overall. I found Natalie to be a much more endearing character than Riri. To me, the ending was dumb as fukk. Kinda undid whatever growth they made you think was happening with Riri.

RiRi is the superhero you love to hate. Her redemption arc happens later on.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Bringing it back to my emphasis on jaded millennial feminist writing. There's an inherent hate for anything remotely patriarchal

Coincidentally there's also the forced deep reverence for villians "Honestly I see Thanos' point" in the face of tearing down the heroes "I could be Tony Stark too if I had a billion dollars"

It's all writing and rhetoric underlined with "I have unresolved issues with my parents" and an increased, and inevitable cynicism stemming from the state of the world

I think the annoying part about this is Riri's mom is actually a really, really good woman. She deeply cares about Riri and constantly tried to reach out and comfort her to help her secure a better future.

That is nothing like Howard Stark.

Besides Gary's death, there's not much Riri had to resolve from her parents side. Her dad loved her and her mom encouraged her to properly grieve his death. She could've taken some time off from MIT to grieve and find ways to end gun violence or be a positive force in his memory.

Instead she crashed the fukk out and made increasingly terrible decisions and learned nothing from them.

The scene of her visiting Joe in prison was the perfect representation of that. All of that scene was audacity. Then she had the audacity to break into his house and use his shyt without his permission.

They just wrote this character to be as unlikable as possible based on the assumption that we'd care enough to see her redeem herself.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

Bringing it back to my emphasis on jaded millennial feminist writing. There's an inherent hate for anything remotely patriarchal

Coincidentally there's also the forced deep reverence for villians "Honestly I see Thanos' point" in the face of tearing down the heroes "I could be Tony Stark too if I had a billion dollars"

It's all writing and rhetoric underlined with "I have unresolved issues with my parents" and an increased, and inevitable cynicism stemming from the state of the world

Do you think the writing for this show is anti patriarchal? Or are you speaking in general of modern writing? Because the story high key emphasis how the lack of a strong patriarchal presence in the household can negatively impact kids. Riri was/is clearly a daddy's girl. He taught her everything she knows and is the source of her passion for science and mechanical engineering. She has a great mother but it's obvious she was closer to Gary. Riri's mom loves her but she's not really equipped to help Riri get over her mental health issues like Gary would have. The only living person in her life that keeps her grounded is Xavier.

 

[Lord Beasley]

These Disney shows just have terrible writing all around
It’s really fallen off and people are just pretending to like these shows to not look
Even DD suffered from Disney writers
And everything feels very CW in terms of camera work and overall feel of these shows
All the characters just feel flat and annoying
And I guess this was the easiest show to finally get Mephisto pushed through with the whole sign your soul with the devil ish
I just wish all of these shows had some kind of heart(no pun intended) put into them because this could’ve been a really good show
Hell even She Hulk could’ve been a good show and so forth and so on
Disney-Marvel ain’t got the juice no more
I’ll finish it to support but it’s a task

It's crazy how Netflix did Marvel better than Disney (we can forget iron fist though)

 

[O.Red]

Do you think the writing for this show is anti patriarchal? Or are you speaking in general of modern writing? Because the story high key emphasis how the lack of a strong patriarchal presence in the household can negatively impact kids. Riri was/is clearly a daddy's girl. He taught her everything she knows and is the source of her passion for science and mechanical engineering. She has a great mother but it's obvious she was closer to Gary. Riri's mom loves her but she's not really equipped to help Riri get over her mental health issues like Gary would have. The only living person in her life that keeps her grounded is Xavier.

I'm talking about modern writing with an emphasis on Disney. I haven't nor do I plan to watch Ironheart I'm only interested in what people are saying about it

I think even the idea of giving Riri a prominent father figure is a bit of course correction/acknowledgement on Marvel's end that they know they've taken the anti patriarchal shyt too far. I still don't have high hopes in them fully correcting tho

I think ultimately Disney is for girls and they won't stray too far from that ideology. Phase 1-3 was an anomaly in the context of the last 70 years of Disney programming

 

[Jaguar93]

I'm talking about modern writing with an emphasis on Disney. I haven't nor do I plan to watch Ironheart I'm only interested in what people are saying about it

I think even the idea of giving Riri a prominent father figure is a bit of course correction/acknowledgement on Marvel's end that they know they've taken the anti patriarchal shyt too far. I still don't have high hopes in them fully correcting tho

I think ultimately Disney is for girls and they won't stray too far from that ideology. Phase 1-3 was an anomaly in the context of the last 70 years of Disney programming

I still can’t believe that we didn’t get Frank Rambeau in the MCU. They made both Maria and Nakia into single moms.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

I'm talking about modern writing with an emphasis on Disney. I haven't nor do I plan to watch Ironheart I'm only interested in what people are saying about it

I think even the idea of giving Riri a prominent father figure is a bit of course correction/acknowledgement on Marvel's end that they know they've taken the anti patriarchal shyt too far. I still don't have high hopes in them fully correcting tho

I think ultimately Disney is for girls and they won't stray too far from that ideology. Phase 1-3 was an anomaly in the context of the last 70 years of Disney programming

Oh okay, yeah because this show is far from anti patriarchal. Her father and best friends murder is simultaneously the source of her desire to be a hero and the source of her bad decisions. She fits right in with Reed, Tony, Hank, Victor, Shuri, Rocket, Beast etc. Brilliant and book smart but their personal life and decisions are a mess.

 

[daemonova]

My issue was this isn't how you introduce Mephistopheles(the devil), that was supposed to happen during Wandavision. If anything, this was supposed to be the sequel.

 

[CarltonJunior]

That's a long reach. The way she's written leaves no room for any redeemable qualities. If she isn't endearing to neither the supporting characters or the audience, what exactly anchors either to her development as a character?

Even Joe had more character development and he was supposed to be side character.

It's an ongoing arc, so again I feel that the goal here was to just show the dangers of being selfish and not heeding the warnings of those who love you. It's not a reach at all. If they wanted some generic kumbaya disney shyt, they would've did it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the show, I don't think it's good, but I'm just saying I don't think the writers were looking for you to root for and pat Riri on the back by the end of this show, she didn't make even 1 good decision throughout it. I feel that people are so used to "traditional" character development that they can't wrap their head around this character.

 

[WIA20XX]

This was so bad.

Character was already gonna need help.
The archetype was already gonna need help
Actress playing the character was gonna need help.

But the writers? They did Riri DIRTY.

So many unforced errors

• Unclear motivation for all of the characters
• Bad Plot
• Bad Dialogue
• Bad powers
• Bad main character
• Bad side characters
• Bad villains

Did nobody at Marvel read this 1st script?

 

[King_Kamala61]

This was so bad.

Character was already gonna need help.
The archetype was already gonna need help
Actress playing the character was gonna need help.

But the writers? They did Riri DIRTY.

So many unforced errors

• Unclear motivation for all of the characters
• Bad Plot
• Bad Dialogue
• Bad powers
• Bad main character
• Bad side characters
• Bad villains

Did nobody at Marvel read this 1st script?

This is what we been tryna to tell y'all.....but the little black girls need a superhero.

 

[Organic Trees]

These marvel shows not cutting it

 

[null]

This was so bad.

Character was already gonna need help.
The archetype was already gonna need help
Actress playing the character was gonna need help.

But the writers? They did Riri DIRTY.

So many unforced errors

• Unclear motivation for all of the characters
• Bad Plot
• Bad Dialogue
• Bad powers
• Bad main character
• Bad side characters
• Bad villains

Did nobody at Marvel read this 1st script?

this was done in the chapek days.

they had already spent the money so they released it.

it also did two things that are important going foward.

1. magic + tech lay up and 2. the other thing ...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Not a fan of the show but for the people that are. Show love for a 2nd season.

Ryan Coogler, Dominique Thorne and the ‘Ironheart’ Team on Introducing [SPOILER] Via That Surprise Cameo and Setting Up Riri Williams’ Future in the MCU

'Ironheart' exec. producer Ryan Coogler and star Dominique Thorne discuss on Riri Williams' future and casting Sacha Baron Cohen as Mephisto.

variety.com

I think Ironheart's fate lies with Coogler and if he is willing to fight for it. RC has all the power right now with the success of Sinners and the Black Panther franchise. If he wants to continue RiRi's story he should be able to wield some of his power.

 

[85 East]

Show was hella entertaining