Is capitalism a bad thing

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I hear this a lot but most of you guys bave what you have due to capitalistic priciples. I think the better question to ask at this point is what are we doing to make sure we get a piece of that pie so we can feed our families down the line?

The only thing I think needs to be socialized are school and hospitals/doctors.
 

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I think there should be measures put into place to ensure a more balanced and fair distribution of wealth/resources. There shouldn't be a "top 1%" or even 10% whose wealth surpasses the combined income of those at poverty level; and then you have those who live in poverty that can't even afford the basic necessities.

But (and I say this respectfully... I'm not a troll or contrarian:whoa:)

Where do you draw the line? You say no top 1 or 10%, but where does that line cap? Should we all be equal and "make" the same money?

Lets say you are an insanely successful person who builds a business picking up dog shyt to a multi million dollar company... would you be ok siphoning off 600K a year to other people so that they can have money and not be poor? What is their incentive to work as hard as you did to make your money?

This is why the concept of capitalism can be good, and why the practicality of socialism can be dicey. No one should be living in poverty in America (we 100% agree there) but where do you draw the line between fair and unfair. And fair for whom? Should Jeff Bezos be stripped of all of his excess money to feed everyone else, when he provides and created a very valuable service that millions of people use? Should that drug user dropout in MS get a basic living allowance even though he aspires to be nothing? :jbhmm:

Without some form of competition we lose motivation. The carrot has to be there. There needs to be some incentive to do your best, to go to college or get a trade and "make it" for yourself.

It's definitely not a cut and dry answer either way.
 

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Its amazing.


Young brehs out here buying homes and pushing foreigns from their own businesses


Wealth being created for generations to come.

Also, you could just hop in and play the game whenever you want

Like you could start a business right now and no one would stop you.

Capitlism is great.

But I don't think it should stretch to places like medical care or education

Medical Care & education shouldn't be sold for a profit but I support everybody else playing the game of capitalism to the best of their ability and trying to make as much money as possible

Its a catch 22. Social benefits shouldn't be bought and sold but the open market could drive prices down.
 

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Lets say you are an insanely successful person who builds a business picking up dog shyt to a multi million dollar company... would you be ok siphoning off 600K a year to other people so that they can have money and not be poor? What is their incentive to work as hard

Exactly


People bust their ass and work like a slave to build & maintain what they have


If I made 100 million & and nikkas was telling me to "distribute my wealth"

I'd tell them suck my whole dikk ... They didnt help me grind and build.

fukk outta here LOL
 

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Somewhere between capitalism and socialism is the way to go
America isn't truly capitalist though
Free education, welfare, roads etc are all socialist principles

But (and I say this respectfully... I'm not a troll or contrarian:whoa:)

Where do you draw the line? You say no top 1 or 10%, but where does that line cap? Should we all be equal and "make" the same money?

Lets say you are an insanely successful person who builds a business picking up dog shyt to a multi million dollar company... would you be ok siphoning off 600K a year to other people so that they can have money and not be poor? What is their incentive to work as hard as you did to make your money?

This is why the concept of capitalism can be good, and why the practicality of socialism can be dicey. No one should be living in poverty in America (we 100% agree there) but where do you draw the line between fair and unfair. And fair for whom? Should Jeff Bezos be stripped of all of his excess money to feed everyone else, when he provides and created a very valuable service that millions of people use? Should that drug user dropout in MS get a basic living allowance even though he aspires to be nothing? :jbhmm:

Without some form of competition we lose motivation. The carrot has to be there. There needs to be some incentive to do your best, to go to college or get a trade and "make it" for yourself.

It's definitely not a cut and dry answer either way.

Thats where the progressive tax system comes in. The wealthy already give back more of their money

I wouldn't be opposed to some form of universal basic income. Can streamline a lot of our welfare programs into one universal program for everyone
 

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But (and I say this respectfully... I'm not a troll or contrarian:whoa:)

Where do you draw the line? You say no top 1 or 10%, but where does that line cap? Should we all be equal and "make" the same money?

Lets say you are an insanely successful person who builds a business picking up dog shyt to a multi million dollar company... would you be ok siphoning off 600K a year to other people so that they can have money and not be poor? What is their incentive to work as hard as you did to make your money?

This is why the concept of capitalism can be good, and why the practicality of socialism can be dicey. No one should be living in poverty in America (we 100% agree there) but where do you draw the line between fair and unfair. And fair for whom? Should Jeff Bezos be stripped of all of his excess money to feed everyone else, when he provides and created a very valuable service that millions of people use? Should that drug user dropout in MS get a basic living allowance even though he aspires to be nothing? :jbhmm:

Without some form of competition we lose motivation. The carrot has to be there. There needs to be some incentive to do your best, to go to college or get a trade and "make it" for yourself.

It's definitely not a cut and dry answer either way.
So the only thing that can motivate someone to be a productive member of society is the fear of starvation?
Socialism is about providing equal opportunity not equal outcome. And Jeff Bezos profits from the exploitation of labour, most of his workers can hardly afford to live on just an Amazon job
There's no reason why the minimum wage shouldn't be enough to survive on
 

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Capitalism is a terrible thing.

Capitalism is a is born out of slavery and feudalism.

Capitalism was instituted by the non-royal, yet merchant class of Europeans that overthrew the European monarchy.

Capitalism is pretty much feudalism with extra steps.

You have a boss that you give 40 to 60 hours of life each week .

In return, your boss gives you medical and retirement benefits...(in some countries)

If you don't work...you are effectively unprotected in society...

Even worse...

You don't own the product of your labor and you are paid scrapes after the capitalist you work for makes a profit...

Even worse...

You are in competition with other laborers who drives down your wages yet there are more laborers than capitalists and laborers can overthrow capitalists if they didn't think they are gonna be rich ass capitalists one day...

Even worse...

Capitalism requires failure and societal ills. Somebody has to be the fukking loser to make everybody else rich. Somebody has to work 14 hours in a fukking IPhone factory. Somebody has to be imprisoned so rednecks in the middle of nowhere can have jobs. Somebody has to fight in a war to protect the neo-colonial interests of France. Somebody had to be a damn slave to work the cotton fields.

Even worse...

Capitalism knows no boundaries. It is a global system of exploitation. Capital has more rights than citizens. Capitalism and the ideas that support capitalism has penetrated every segment and facet of our lives. shytty market based solutions for societal ills that enrich capitalists at the expense of social welfare. Solutions like fukking Obamacare. Obamacare is fukking terrible, but we ate that shyt up because it was slightly better than the shyt we had.

Capitalism changes and morphs the more socialistic the world gets. We only get concessions the more we complain about it.

Oh you don't like working 7 days a week...okay it'll only be 5 days.

Oh you don't like your 80 hour work week...okay it'll only be 40.

Oh you don't like not having any breaks while you work...okay you'll get 5 of them.

What happens when they don't need us anymore...because capitalism is all about the profit motive...and guess what...

Capital has reached a point where it really doesn't need as many of us as it used to...

What then?


Capitalism is a terrible system and hopefully I'll be around when it collapse
 
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It's not perfect but it's the best economic system ever devised.

Best economic system because of what and for who?

We have reached a point of economic inequality that is like the middle ages and we have reached a point where we are destroying the life on earth that is unprecedented in any other mass extinction.

By 2030...1 percent of the wealthiest people on earth will own 66% of all wealth on earth...

This shyt sucks.
 
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This really is a complex issue that is hard for me to fathom yet alone answer. But to put it simply in each and every economic/political system whether that be capitalism, socialism, communism, anarchy or oligarchy/dictatorship etc, the elite will ALWAYS win and stay in power. The thing with capitalism is it gives anyone a chance to be part of that elite club, however small. The cost of this is that on average everyone is worse though in the long run in a perfectly capitalist system.

Neo-liberalism combined with globalist theory creates an extreme capitalist environment which is bad for everyone in the long-run. This explains the rise of de-globalisation since the financial crisis in 2008 with policies like Trump's China tariffs and Brexit. These actions were bound to happen eventually, regardless of Trump and Nigel Farage's ignorant and myopic ideas, it was inevitable.

I personally like capitalism but also like balance.
 
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