Is Donovan Mitchell the greatest playoff riser to not win shyt?

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

Lamar Jackson is 10x the player, at his position in his sport, than Mitchell is in his. Flawed comparison.

Jimmy and Reggie are probably the two biggest risers ever who never won championships.

I wouldn’t say 10x the player but he’s better at his position for sure

 

[murksiderock]

I wouldn’t say 10x the player but he’s better at his position for sure

I think 10x is an accurate weight. Donovan at his absolute best, has peaked as a Top 10 player, and not that close to Top 5. Lamar is not only a Top 3 QB of his era, the argument can be made that he's #2.

If viewing thru a season-by-season individual lens, Lamar for two years running (2023, 2024), has been the best quarterback in football. He's reached a height of play that is multiple times higher than what Mitchell has done within his field--->and Lamar has done it while playing in arguably the toughest division in football, in inarguably, the tougher conference.

The playoff troubles are a real thing, and if you want to say that, Mitchell has on aggregate been a better playoff performer, I'll buy that. But the gap between the two in the regular season; the gap between the two when compared to their peers; the gap between the two when evaluating their talent level and skillsets relative to their sports; those gaps are so much greater than the gap between Playoff Mitchell and Playoff Lamar.

If 10x is hyperbole, it goes no lower than 5x. Lamar Jackson is a substantially better player at his sport than Mitchell is at his.

 

[KidJSoul]

Guys like Garnett and Dirk each played 21 seasons and each only had 2 Finals appearances apiece, going 1 for 2. Chris Paul, 20 seasons and 1 Finals appearance.

And so the opportunities are fleeting even for franchise players big n small; so much so that you cannot trick off back-2-back games vs Paul George and Terrence Mann with Kawhi absent and no LeBron, KD, Curry teams awaiting you in the WCFs.

That was his chance. Utah was the best team record-wise all year, all the super teams got wrecked with injuries, Bucks were shaky all post-season. Can't let Terrence Mann shatter your dreams. I don't care how trash Gobert is or that Conley never showed up all season, you gotta find a way.

.

Mufukkking Chris Paul took advantage that year

 

[MostReal]

its cause he wears number 45 its holding him back

numbers like that are for power forwards with googles like Horace Grant, not elite Shooting guards

 

[SadimirPutin]

Unfortunately the narrative about Lamar not winning big games is becoming harder to shake.

I still think Lamar has never been given a strong receiving corps to be truly successful for a postseason run.

Having a good TE is a great asset for any quarterback, so kudos for Mark Andrews. But Hollywood Brown, Zay Flowers, D’Andre Hopkins, Rashod Bateman, Odell Beckham Jr…

You’re talking about 2 undersized WRs, a 1st round bust, and 2 washed up players…that’s what he’s had to carry for the last few years.

I’m sorry but Lamar needs more than that.

Not gonna lie

I think the Ravens need to get rid of Harbaugh because in big games Harbaugh will always go away from what works for the team on some "look at my big brain" shyt

 

[Bryan Danielson]

But time coli evolved and start picking on new or different NBA players.

Makes the conversation fresh and less desperate

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

He played in Utah and Cleveland...

1 Franchise played with 2 HOF together and they never won a title
1 Franchise won 1 title ever with LeBron James and it took them coming back down 3 - 1 vs a 73 win team


Where you play and who you play with matters. Knocking Mitchell for never winning a title is goofy and shows how goofy ring culture is.
Winning a title takes the right players, right coaches, right management and luck of the draw. Everyone thinks winning championships is easy, especially in team oriented sports.
The only players that should get judged on how many titles they have is golfers and tennis players. They have no teammates. It's just them.


And the whole notion of "making your teammates" better is bullshyt. You can motivate players until they give max effort 100% of the time and it still might not be enough.

 

[Guess Who]

That’s an old narrative. He sacrificed his stats so Mobley and garland can both be all stars. Too unselfish at times last season. A healthy Cavs team could’ve made noise in the playoffs but they had way too many injuries.

It’s not an old narrative. I watched what happened against the Pacers. He went into hero ball mode and killed the flow for his squad. Also, it’s Cleveland’s fault for blowing a winnable game and sitting out players with minor injuries cuz they thought Indiana would be a cakewalk.

That being said, Cleveland needs to trade Garland.

 

[In The Zone '98]

That’s an old narrative. He sacrificed his stats so Mobley and garland can both be all stars. Too unselfish at times last season. A healthy Cavs team could’ve made noise in the playoffs but they had way too many injuries.

He was pressed into passing more because he refused to the season prior

You forget Garland had a soft trade demand

 

[Left.A1]

My nikka 30 for 30 Mitchell just need a better team

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

It’s not an old narrative. I watched what happened against the Pacers. He went into hero ball mode and killed the flow for his squad. Also, it’s Cleveland’s fault for blowing a winnable game and sitting out players with minor injuries cuz they thought Indiana would be a cakewalk.

That being said, Cleveland needs to trade Garland.

If your team was missing a bunch of players would you want your star player passing to the 10th man on the bench?

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

He was pressed into passing more because he refused to the season prior

You forget Garland had a soft trade demand

He changed his game because after the prior season he realized Mobley and Garland needed to contribute more. The media was saying garland wanted to be traded but garland shut those rumors down.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I really don’t get these teams who just want to sit back and shoot 3s when your staff isnt prime klay, durant and steph on the roster

The game is the game and nobody thinks like that anymore.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

He played in Utah and Cleveland...

1 Franchise played with 2 HOF together and they never won a title
1 Franchise won 1 title ever with LeBron James and it took them coming back down 3 - 1 vs a 73 win team


Where you play and who you play with matters. Knocking Mitchell for never winning a title is goofy and shows how goofy ring culture is.
Winning a title takes the right players, right coaches, right management and luck of the draw. Everyone thinks winning championships is easy, especially in team oriented sports.
The only players that should get judged on how many titles they have is golfers and tennis players. They have no teammates. It's just them.


And the whole notion of "making your teammates" better is bullshyt. You can motivate players until they give max effort 100% of the time and it still might not be enough.

Like @Primetime said what the fukk does that have to do with losing a home game vs The Clippers & getting closed out after going up 25 WITHOUT Kawhi then dropping multiple games the next year to Dallas WITHOUT Luka?

 

[holidayinn21]

It's a paradox, but a compartmentalizing of various circumstances that lead to less than stellar results when the contests aren't of regular season intensity or lack thereof. Substantial gains in roster analytical output have helped, but playoff matches aren't won analytically, but with emotionally driven basketball and who wants it more. Mobley has been very preventative against opposing teams' offenses, but he must take a more skillful leader role of offense. Demanding of the ball should be his card of calling next season. Mitchell turning into more of a guard of point would exponentially raise the floor and ceiling of Ohio and Cuyahoga county's Cleveland Cavalier profession basketball squadron.

But then again.........