Is Dr Dre one of the most overrated producers of all time?

[Lonj]

Naw I think like a lot of musicians he burned out eventually but it doesn't diminish what he did when he was younger.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Hip Hop gotta be the only culture where the "fans" hate to see the greats climb to being successful and praised. It's like it bothers them.

Only in this sh*t do you see lames looking at undeniable GOAT's and trying to come up with ways to discredit them. Some of y'all weirdos don’t deserve access to Hip Hop anymore.

 

[Iverson_64]

If you look at Dr. Dre as more of a Quincy Jones or John Williams type producer whose music centers more so around his vision for the sound as opposed to hm doing everything from scratch, no.

But, if you're talking about Dr. Dre as a beatmaker who does everything from scratch, then yes.....he is sort of overrated. Dre has made beats from scratch here and there but a lot of his beats had assistance from Yella, Daz, Melman, Storch, Mike Elizondo, and others. 2001 was the beginning of the "Dr. Dre and Friends" era of production being more obvious but Compton and Missionary have an even stronger roster of co-producers than 2001 despite those albums being worse lol. This transition from beatmaker to "producer and friends" applies to Kanye too.

It really depends on your POV though. Like there's a ton of classic beats associated with Dr. Dre and his mixing/engineering skills are still out of this world to this day. So, in that sense, Dr. Dre isn't overrated at all. In a Verzuz, Dre would put a lot of producers through the Walk Of Shame.

As a pure beatmaker, though, Dre isn't on the level of Premo, Pete Rock, Dilla, RZA, Alchemist, and Marley Marl. It's apples and oranges. I will say this too.....because of the Eminem association, Dr. Dre is often White casual's and foreigner's go to answer for who the best hip hop producer is.

 

[Ziggiy]

He’s not overrated. Too many legendary contemporaries give him his props.


He’s not the GOAT though, that would be RZA

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Yet neither party has made anything of the same caliber by themselves. I guess Daz came the closest but still.

Neither has Dre

 

[Ziploc]

The same thing that happened to RZA happened to Dre. They were beat makers that became famous producers and started to learn music theory and instrumentation. The cost of paying for samples was also a motivating factor in going towards original pieces of music but it was at a cost. RZA tried to recreate the magic without sampling and it sounded constricted and lacked the grit we loved in his earlier work. Dre was a student of The Bomb Squad formula and switched to a more regional sound with the P funk samples.After the well of P funk samples ran dry he relied on outside beat makers to bring the creativity while he focused on the mechanics of f sound design and engineering. His prime as beat maker was NWA imo,his prime as a curator of beat makers were The Chronic and 2001. After that it became a formulaic mess with cookie cutter sounds and concepts.

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

Hip Hop gotta be the only culture where the "fans" hate to see the greats climb to being successful and praised. It's like it bothers them.

Only in this sh*t do you see lames looking at undeniable GOAT's and trying to come up with ways to discredit them. Some of y'all weirdos don’t deserve access to Hip Hop anymore.

I think certain Rock and also. They get when they "sell out"

 

[Formerly known as...]

Yes

 

[raoulduke187]

definitely up there

 

[Iverson_64]

The same thing that happened to RZA happened to Dre. They were beat makers that became famous producers and started to learn music theory and instrumentation. The cost of paying for samples was also a motivating factor in going towards original pieces of music but it was at a cost. RZA tried to recreate the magic without sampling and it sounded constricted and lacked the grit we loved in his earlier work. Dre was a student of The Bomb Squad formula and switched to a more regional sound with the P funk samples.After the well of P funk samples ran dry he relied on outside beat makers to bring the creativity while he focused on the mechanics of f sound design and engineering. His prime as beat maker was NWA imo,his prime as a curator of beat makers were The Chronic and 2001. After that it became a formulaic mess with cookie cutter sounds and concepts.

RZA isn't a curator though. He's more so a traditional beatmaker which Dr. Dre used to be in the 80's.

Dr. Dre embraced being a curator of beatmakers and beats like you said back when he started his label Aftermath. Hell, half of Dr. Dre Presents The Aftermath was produced by Bud'da .

And he amplified his usage of assistance on 2001, Compton, The Contract, Missionary, and many of his works with Eminem, 50, and Game. That's not to discredit Dre by any means cause he's still the visionary for the sounds of those beats but he's not making them as traditionally as RZA.

Same can be said for Kanye too. Started off as a traditional beatmaker but eventually became more of a curator and visionary of different sounds and beats while getting tons of assistance.

 

[Wacky D]

As a hip-hop producer, yes. hes a severely overrated beat maker. There's a reason why his style changes depending on who's around him.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

The fact that all you you have to go through great lengths to explain his resume is

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

As a hip-hop producer, yes. hes a severely overrated beat maker. There's a reason why his style changes depending on who's around him.

Thats all I was saying.

And muthefukkers started coppin pleas talking about he’s a curator of beats. Well that would make him a damn DJ, not producer.

He was limited when it came to production and needed a ton of help. And he’s been living off name recognition for decades.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

And people in here probably though Dr Dre made this beat too

 

[Piff Perkins]

Beat makers? Maybe.

Producers? Absolutely not.

I came to say this. He's a producer in the very sense of the word. He makes your shyt sound better - from adding things to coaching vocals to sequencing etc. And he knows how to make the drums knock.