Is Dr Dre one of the most overrated producers of all time?

[Wacky D]

Thats all I was saying.

And muthefukkers started coppin pleas talking about he’s a curator of beats. Well that would make him a damn DJ, not producer.

He was limited when it came to production and needed a ton of help. And he’s been living off name recognition for decades.

Xactly

 

[Michael's Black Son]

yes.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

He gets credit for a lot so sounds he didn’t create. A lot of other producers don’t get enough credit for creating those sounds.

I think at some point he fell off and used other people to keep him relevant. He came from the 80’s. So having to adapt to the 90’s and beyond wasn’t something I don’t think he was able to do. He also don’t have a signature sound.

truth be told ... he dont have a signature sound... i said it be4 ...

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Xactly

and dre is a hellafied dj..

 

[BK The Great]

His bests ain’t nothing special in reality. They lack soul too. It’s all programming that’s what makes them sound good. A lot of it now sounds outdated. Don’t get started on his shyt he produced for Em. Those sound even more bad.

 

[Knicksman20]

He's the greatest mixer of all time in hip hop

But you can't be the GOAT producer/beat maker & have ghost producers constantly all through your projects

@spliz

We've seen this topic so many times over the years lol

 

[Knicksman20]

RZA isn't a curator though. He's more so a traditional beatmaker which Dr. Dre used to be in the 80's.

Dr. Dre embraced being a curator of beatmakers and beats like you said back when he started his label Aftermath. Hell, half of Dr. Dre Presents The Aftermath was produced by Bud'da .

And he amplified his usage of assistance on 2001, Compton, The Contract, Missionary, and many of his works with Eminem, 50, and Game. That's not to discredit Dre by any means cause he's still the visionary for the sounds of those beats but he's not making them as traditionally as RZA.

Same can be said for Kanye too. Started off as a traditional beatmaker but eventually became more of a curator and visionary of different sounds and beats while getting tons of assistance.

Don't forget Hi-Tek was in his camp for a bit & ghost producing for him too

 

[Wacky D]

His bests ain’t nothing special in reality. They lack soul too. It’s all programming that’s what makes them sound good. A lot of it now sounds outdated. Don’t get started on his shyt he produced for Em. Those sound even more bad.

I havnt been a fan of his beats since death row.

 

[BK The Great]

I havnt been a fan of his beats since death row.

After Compton everything has been lower quality, or just not what he used to be. He ruin d himself hyping up Detox. I like beats with actual soul behind it. His beats can be clunky with pianos and doubled layer snares.

 

[FlimFlam]

Hes a brand name like Beats by Dre

Hes the corporate champion.

We've seen the career arch of real goats through all genres where acts fall from stardom to obscurity. From big sales to dropping albums to little fanfare.... but the projects are amazing and even sometimes genre expanding art. People dropping shyt that ressurect their names... sometimes posthumously, sadly. This is goat shyt

You cant be some goat when you aint even confident in your own creations and scared to drop shyt.

This "perfectionist " narrative played itself out a couple decades ago. Nevermind a hit. Just drop some good fukkin music then try that bashful bullshyt

He deserves high recognition. but hes a goat of nothing and yes hes overrated

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

If you look at Dr. Dre as more of a Quincy Jones or John Williams type producer whose music centers more so around his vision for the sound as opposed to hm doing everything from scratch, no.

But, if you're talking about Dr. Dre as a beatmaker who does everything from scratch, then yes.....he is sort of overrated. Dre has made beats from scratch here and there but a lot of his beats had assistance from Yella, Daz, Melman, Storch, Mike Elizondo, and others. 2001 was the beginning of the "Dr. Dre and Friends" era of production being more obvious but Compton and Missionary have an even stronger roster of co-producers than 2001 despite those albums being worse lol. This transition from beatmaker to "producer and friends" applies to Kanye too.

It really depends on your POV though. Like there's a ton of classic beats associated with Dr. Dre and his mixing/engineering skills are still out of this world to this day. So, in that sense, Dr. Dre isn't overrated at all. In a Verzuz, Dre would put a lot of producers through the Walk Of Shame.

As a pure beatmaker, though, Dre isn't on the level of Premo, Pete Rock, Dilla, RZA, Alchemist, and Marley Marl. It's apples and oranges. I will say this too.....because of the Eminem association, Dr. Dre is often White casual's and foreigner's go to answer for who the best hip hop producer is.

Film composer John Williams?

It is not the same sport. John Williams actually writes music.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Imagine Steven Spielberg going through this because he doesn’t do his own cinematography.

He made his mark. I can’t say he is overrated because he is crapped on in this room every chance it’s brought up.

 

[Knucklehead]

We've seen the career arch of real goats through all genres where acts fall from stardom to obscurity. From big sales to dropping albums to little fanfare.... but the projects are amazing and even sometimes genre expanding art. People dropping shyt that ressurect their names... sometimes posthumously, sadly. This is goat shyt

What are some examples of this?
David Bowie an obvious one…

 

[FaTaL]

2001 was co produced by Mel Man, half of Chronic was produced by Daz


She Thang exposed himself with his last two weed plates

Neither of those guys made hits on their own

 

[Cladyclad]

I havnt been a fan of his beats since death row.

But shyt y’all said he ain’t produced that so idk

all I know his Let me ride better been produced by him

no ghost