Is drafting an Offensive Lineman with the 1st overall pick a waste of a draft pick?

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I honestly think that taking any lineman(offense) with the first pick is a waste of a pick.
its just the fact that the impact they make on the field isn't as great as that of some other positions

also, what is the difference between a number 1 pick LT vs a 2nd round LT?

I get it that there are better LT's than others. But if you drop 8-9 mill a year on a lt to face the teams best DE, and then that DE just switches sides to play against the RT then you completely lose that impact.
or having an overload to the left,etc.....

there is just so many ways to severly limit his impact.

especially when you look at the salaries that these LT's are getting. 8-9 million a year??
seems to much to me.

I mean I ain't trying to say that you can just throw anyone at LT and expect good results. BUT, I don't think that you need to spend that time of money and give up that type of pick on a lineman.

especially when you are picking in the top 5, you clearly have bigger issues that lineman. You need guys that can make bigger impact plays.
A QB, a DT, or a DE would be far better value at that position.

bu that's just my opinion. maybe I'm still jaded at the Jake Long pick I dunno. But I can't recall too many LT's leading there teams to a championship.

a STUD LT is more of a luxury that you pick on a contending team IMO.
 

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What if the "best" player doesn't translate in to wins.

So the dolphins did a great job by selecting the best player in the draft where they had the number 1 pick (Long) instead of reaching for someone who could have made a real difference (Matt Ryan).


Do you really though? Chances are in the NFL if you are drafting first you have a lot of glaring needs?

The 2 positions that have the most impact on the field are QB and DE.

I just don't see having the best LT in the draft on your team translating into wins or enthusiasm for your team.


No single player translates to wins by himself. His supporting cast plays a huge factor. Cam Newton was damn sure worth a #1 but has that pick translated to wins? No. why? cause the rest of the team is trash. Isn't Mario Williams still one of the top 5-10 DE in the league? Trent Cole? Jared Allen? But what about their teams? One player doesnt = wins.

It's proven the best way to build a championship squad is through BPA. Yes, immediate need should be a small factor, but not the end all be all. All you're doing when drafting by need only is thinking short term. Things could change so quickly from season to season. It's better to draft for the long term
 

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No single player translates to wins by himself. His supporting cast plays a huge factor. Cam Newton was damn sure worth a #1 but has that pick translated to wins? No. why? cause the rest of the team is trash. Isn't Mario Williams still one of the top 5-10 DE in the league? Trent Cole? Jared Allen? But what about their teams? One player doesnt = wins.

It's proven the best way to build a championship squad is through BPA. Yes, immediate need should be a small factor, but not the end all be all. All you're doing when drafting by need only is thinking short term. Things could change so quickly from season to season. It's better to draft for the long term

there is no way in hell a team should pick an LT before a QB though. So yes picking up a QB first makes sense.

obviously no one player can create wins. BUT if you have multiple needs then you should pick the player that can have the biggest impact on your team.



if you have a stud QB(or one you think is gonna be one) then sure you draft an LT

but if you feel you have a decent LT but your defense needs some work then you don't upgrade LT over DE or DT

IMO it should be BPA, it shold be Biggest IMPACT player available.

having a stud LT means fukk all if your defense is terrible.
having a stud LT means fukk all if you have no one to throw the ball to
 

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If there was a Jonathan Ogden in this Draft ... Hell yeah I'd draft him 1st overall.

Don't know much about this draft class though, so I can't comment.
 

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I honestly think that taking any lineman(offense) with the first pick is a waste of a pick.
its just the fact that the impact they make on the field isn't as great as that of some other positions

also, what is the difference between a number 1 pick LT vs a 2nd round LT?

I get it that there are better LT's than others. But if you drop 8-9 mill a year on a lt to face the teams best DE, and then that DE just switches sides to play against the RT then you completely lose that impact.
or having an overload to the left,etc.....

there is just so many ways to severly limit his impact.

especially when you look at the salaries that these LT's are getting. 8-9 million a year??
seems to much to me.

I mean I ain't trying to say that you can just throw anyone at LT and expect good results. BUT, I don't think that you need to spend that time of money and give up that type of pick on a lineman.

especially when you are picking in the top 5, you clearly have bigger issues that lineman. You need guys that can make bigger impact plays.
A QB, a DT, or a DE would be far better value at that position.

bu that's just my opinion. maybe I'm still jaded at the Jake Long pick I dunno. But I can't recall too many LT's leading there teams to a championship.

a STUD LT is more of a luxury that you pick on a contending team IMO.
:snoop: this dude is all over the place
 

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:heh: @ rolling the dice on a damn WR with a sure thing all pro LT in the draft

:snoop: Moss couldnt get a ring, he then got with one of the goat qb's and still couldnt get a ring because the damn line couldnt protect the qb :manny:

matt ryan like tony romo and phillip rivers (in ascending order) has the gift of subconsciously letting his fans know when he's about to screw up
 

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Yeah...if he's not good. Unlike basketball, in football no one draft pick is gonna completely turn things around. You gotta get the right guy in the 2nd and 3rd rds etc., gotta get the right free agents, and have the right coaching staff in place. If you don't have the right foundation any pick can end up being a wasted pick.
 

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Yeah...if he's not good. Unlike basketball, in football no one draft pick is gonna completely turn things around. You gotta get the right guy in the 2nd and 3rd rds etc., gotta get the right free agents, and have the right coaching staff in place. If you don't have the right foundation any pick can end up being a wasted pick.

This about wraps it up. Just look at the Bills for evidence of what happens when your foundation is rotted.
 

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WTF is OP talking about? The O-Line is the offenses foundation.:laff: It begins and ends on the o-line and d-line for the most part. An o-lineman is such an important investment and clowns don't even realize it. Madden fukked so many of yall up. :russ:
 

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there is no way in hell a team should pick an LT before a QB though. So yes picking up a QB first makes sense.

obviously no one player can create wins. BUT if you have multiple needs then you should pick the player that can have the biggest impact on your team.



if you have a stud QB(or one you think is gonna be one) then sure you draft an LT

but if you feel you have a decent LT but your defense needs some work then you don't upgrade LT over DE or DT

IMO it should be BPA, it shold be Biggest IMPACT player available.

having a stud LT means fukk all if your defense is terrible.
having a stud LT means fukk all if you have no one to throw the ball to
I never argued whether or not you should pick a QB before an LT. The OP's question was "Is drafting an Offensive Lineman with the 1st overall pick a waste of a draft pick?"

My answer is no IF the LT is graded out to be a stud LT who can protect a QBs blindside for the next decade. If he's graded out as best out of a mediocre bunch then you pass, but if it's jake long/joe thomas potential? I dont know wtf you would pass that up. Theres a reason why tom brady fought so hard to get Matt Light to play another year. There are very few positions in football where you could make a pick that impacts your QB and not have to address that position again for an entire decade. You'd be silly as a GM to pass that up.

I don't know why anyone feels stud LTs and QBs must be exclusive. See: Trent Williams & RG3, Russell Okung & Russell Wilson. Both LTs were picked top 5 when the teams had shytty QBs at the time and I bet you both those QBs appreciate them greatly
 
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