has several, Jay has more tho
Is Drake on the same level as Jay Z?
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hes a performer not a rapper.... he doesnt write his own shyt so he shouldnt be in the same conversation with ANYONE let alone Jay Z ...
all that aside with his whole team of writers Ive never seen him in anyones top 5 .....
hes a decent rapper who makes good songs.... but hes never been a beast on the mike and never will be ..... also he just aint believable .... some rappers you knew they were THAT GUY even before they were famous 50 , DMX , Jay etc ........ he was never that guy and half of his raps admit that fact, and with all his money and fame he aint that guy now....
Go watch Jay Z s B sides concert ...... the amount of rappers that have that much heat that were just album cuts you can count on one hand...
I know a lot of Drake fans have a lot mentally invested in him, they want to see the "Beta" male win but them trying to force the issue of him being GOAT status is why he gets so much hate.....
The fact that he started to believe his own hype and started boasting about his pen game is one of the factors why he got exposed....
From when I heard the reference track any argument of him even being top 5 of his own generation isnt valid .... you cant rewrite the rules because your idol got found out like Milli Vanilli....
only thing he can do better than Jay Z is sing ......
also funny how dudes bringing up sales....
at one point Vanilla ice was the biggest selling rapper
at one point MC Hammer was that dude ... never seen em in anyones top 20 .......... never seen their rhymes being quoted
all that aside with his whole team of writers Ive never seen him in anyones top 5 .....
hes a decent rapper who makes good songs.... but hes never been a beast on the mike and never will be ..... also he just aint believable .... some rappers you knew they were THAT GUY even before they were famous 50 , DMX , Jay etc ........ he was never that guy and half of his raps admit that fact, and with all his money and fame he aint that guy now....
Go watch Jay Z s B sides concert ...... the amount of rappers that have that much heat that were just album cuts you can count on one hand...
I know a lot of Drake fans have a lot mentally invested in him, they want to see the "Beta" male win but them trying to force the issue of him being GOAT status is why he gets so much hate.....
The fact that he started to believe his own hype and started boasting about his pen game is one of the factors why he got exposed....
From when I heard the reference track any argument of him even being top 5 of his own generation isnt valid .... you cant rewrite the rules because your idol got found out like Milli Vanilli....
only thing he can do better than Jay Z is sing ......
also funny how dudes bringing up sales....
at one point Vanilla ice was the biggest selling rapper
at one point MC Hammer was that dude ... never seen em in anyones top 20 .......... never seen their rhymes being quoted
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Drake is in the Ja, Luda, T.I., Nelly, 50 teir. Successful rappers but they aren't in GOAT conversations. Even then I put Ja, Nelly. T.I., Luda and 50 over Drake because they all never had a ghostwriter constroversy. And I feel their "Best" albums are easily better than Drake's. Drake never had an album bigger than "Country Grammer", "Get Rich" or "the Massare". Sh!t, DMX had a better run to me than Drake just based on the type of Rap he made mainstream. Singing and doing RnB songs for females is easier than spittin that raw and getting the mainstream to come to you. Also rappers like 50, X etc had female oriented songs but they still were spitting raw bars. And why are people trying revise history like Drake has been on top since 09? He been outsold on every album damn near accept this recent one. Em outsold him in 2009 and 2010 and 2013. , Wayne outsold him in 2011.
Now these last two years 2015 and 2016 I would say yes he's pretty much on top mainstream wise (Not street wise). But he dropped 3 albums in the span of one year. So just from a visibility level that's what's really helped him these last two years. These "Streaming" Rules elevated his sales when the raw numbers showed he's been stagnant althogh consistant in physical sales. (TML - 1.6, TC 2.2, NWS - 1.6, IYRTITL - 1.1, WATOMA - 500k, V - 1.2) Now on the RnB and Hip Hop charts, I'll give Drake his props, he's had a historic run on those. But other rappers have better numbers on the Hot 100 which he needed Rihanna to top that chart until recently. Drake is not on Jay's level in any catagory. He doesn't have the Classics, he doesn't have the bars. Even Jay has had enough hits that you can't even give him Hits over Jay as Jay Hits are more popular and memorable at this moment. He tired to prematurely force himself into that conversation through sumbliminals and it backfired very badly when Meek exposed him.
Being the "Top" rapper is never a clean cut argument. The Top rapper in the "Mainstream" isn't always who the streets have crowned. In a situation like Biggie and Pac they had the mainstream and the streets. As someone mentioned, Vanilla Ice could be considered a "Top" rapper based on sales and mainstream success when the reality is Rakim, LL, Kane etc were ranked above him during that time frame. Also the comparison really fails when you realize Jay came from a GOAT era in Hip Hop where as Drake is successful in a very weak era. Hit singles and Platinum albums aren't the only criteria. I understand every generation has "Their guy" but that doesn't just automatically boost him up above people who have done more and have had more impact. Just because Chris Brown is the biggest in RnB male right now doesn't put him above Michael Jackson because he's a success in this era (Usher and R Kelly have stronger discography's anyway).
Also just from reading the thread I can tell there are some who just didn't see Jay's career fully unfold. Drake Best album "Take Care" isn't even better than some of Jay's non-Classics, "Vol 1" to name an album. Right now he's consistant sales wise and hit wise so I'll give Drake that. But he's obviously not consistant lyrically because he had to run and use QM's and many others pens to craft his hit songs. Is that flow even his? Because I know Jay's flow is his flow. Lastly Jay ate him on his own sh!t anyway with "Light up" and :"Pound Cake" not to mention all the sublims he already got him on. I was cool with Drake in the beginning but his arrogance turned me off and the ghostwriting was the final straw. Dude had the nerve to say "The crown is for the takin, watch me take it", LOL. Lastly in 2013 they both dropped albums in the same year. Drake only sold 125K more than Jay did. He was on his 3rd album while Jay was on his 12th. Case Closed.
Now these last two years 2015 and 2016 I would say yes he's pretty much on top mainstream wise (Not street wise). But he dropped 3 albums in the span of one year. So just from a visibility level that's what's really helped him these last two years. These "Streaming" Rules elevated his sales when the raw numbers showed he's been stagnant althogh consistant in physical sales. (TML - 1.6, TC 2.2, NWS - 1.6, IYRTITL - 1.1, WATOMA - 500k, V - 1.2) Now on the RnB and Hip Hop charts, I'll give Drake his props, he's had a historic run on those. But other rappers have better numbers on the Hot 100 which he needed Rihanna to top that chart until recently. Drake is not on Jay's level in any catagory. He doesn't have the Classics, he doesn't have the bars. Even Jay has had enough hits that you can't even give him Hits over Jay as Jay Hits are more popular and memorable at this moment. He tired to prematurely force himself into that conversation through sumbliminals and it backfired very badly when Meek exposed him.
Being the "Top" rapper is never a clean cut argument. The Top rapper in the "Mainstream" isn't always who the streets have crowned. In a situation like Biggie and Pac they had the mainstream and the streets. As someone mentioned, Vanilla Ice could be considered a "Top" rapper based on sales and mainstream success when the reality is Rakim, LL, Kane etc were ranked above him during that time frame. Also the comparison really fails when you realize Jay came from a GOAT era in Hip Hop where as Drake is successful in a very weak era. Hit singles and Platinum albums aren't the only criteria. I understand every generation has "Their guy" but that doesn't just automatically boost him up above people who have done more and have had more impact. Just because Chris Brown is the biggest in RnB male right now doesn't put him above Michael Jackson because he's a success in this era (Usher and R Kelly have stronger discography's anyway).
Also just from reading the thread I can tell there are some who just didn't see Jay's career fully unfold. Drake Best album "Take Care" isn't even better than some of Jay's non-Classics, "Vol 1" to name an album. Right now he's consistant sales wise and hit wise so I'll give Drake that. But he's obviously not consistant lyrically because he had to run and use QM's and many others pens to craft his hit songs. Is that flow even his? Because I know Jay's flow is his flow. Lastly Jay ate him on his own sh!t anyway with "Light up" and :"Pound Cake" not to mention all the sublims he already got him on. I was cool with Drake in the beginning but his arrogance turned me off and the ghostwriting was the final straw. Dude had the nerve to say "The crown is for the takin, watch me take it", LOL. Lastly in 2013 they both dropped albums in the same year. Drake only sold 125K more than Jay did. He was on his 3rd album while Jay was on his 12th. Case Closed.
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This dude has no album u can reflect on in 15 years and be like 
remember drake album of so and so
remember drake album of so and so
JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU HAVE HEARD IT ALL breh stop talking you sound extremely stupid
14 in 2002? I turned 22 that year.
So by the time you hit middle school it was 2000? Hip hop was already watered down at that point. You grew up on watered down shyt. That's why you're talking about Nelly and Ja Rule and movies, you don't know how to properly evaluate this shyt.
Plus, Eminem nice, but Eminem white.
You are wrong for including Nelly, Ja and Em in this conversation.
I already proved to you that Jay was bigger than X (at least in terms of the pace with which he was selling albums) in 98. X was bigger by 2000.
50 at his peak went 6x platinum. Jay did 5. Of course, in that same year (2003) Outkast went diamond.
And Mike sold it in the US breh
Not to mention who was bigger in New Zealand is irrelevant to who was bigger here.