Is Drake top 100 alltime?

Where does Drake rank alltime?

  • Top 15

    Votes: 26 13.6%
  • Top 30

    Votes: 27 14.1%
  • Top 50

    Votes: 23 12.0%
  • Top 100

    Votes: 29 15.2%
  • Not top 100

    Votes: 70 36.6%
  • Top 5

    Votes: 16 8.4%

  • Total voters
    191

onelastdeath

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I wouldn't even put Drake above J.Cole and Cole is not cracking my top 5-7 new rappers.

Agreed, Cole got some fukking Bars. Drake is just too simple to be a great lyricist. Well spoken, but he raps so basic. Dude rhymes "nikka" with "nikka" multiple times on the same track. His success is more appeal than skill
 

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kendrick is supported by rap fans, drake isn't.
that's the definition of plant

and birdman has always been suspected of buying albums.
No, this is the definition of a plant
Warning, Long read

Based on the response to my last post about how radio works in today's climate I thought I'd give you guys another big nugget of information about how the game is today. I understand there are some exceptions to this rule, but I would be willing to bet that 97% of rappers have taken this approach to find success, and it's even more prevalent now.

There are 3 reasons why a rapper finds success, none of which have anything to do with what their material sounds like, sadly. It's the old cliche, Money, Power, and Respect. I'll try to break this down for you guys as best as I can. Keep in mind, rappers who only get a handle on one of these things usually become regional acts, or have a quick 15 minutes of fame and never really reach a level that you'll remember after 5 years or so. Rappers who have 2 of this things, can get to a certain level, where they are known, make money, but never taken on a very serious level. The rare rapper who gets all 3 down, becomes a super star.

Money: It's as true now as it has ever been. If you don't break bread, you can't win. It's that simple. There has never been a rapper ever in the history of the genre, or I'd argue in the history of popular music, that has been able to achieve any sort of level of fame without spending a great deal of money. This can be personal money, street money, label money, etc. Money is money in the end when it comes to this. We know a great deal of these situations involve drug money (see: Irv Gotti/Murder Inc), but what is this money exactly for?
The money is used to pay for radio, pay for placements on Mtv and BET, pay for travel to make promotional appearances, pay for verses and production from high level artists, and on and on and on. If you're trying to breakthrough and have no money to use, and nobody in your camp has money to use, you've already lost. This is the most fundamental part of trying to make it in the music business. You need to break bread to make bread, end of story.

Power: There are a handful of people in power in the rap game and music in general. There are managers and there are label execs. I'd guess there are not more than about 25 people who can actually move the needle for you in terms of flexing their power. With that power, also comes money. So if you take care of step 2, step 1 "Money" usually follows very closely behind, which is followed by a bill from the Power Players accountant.
A short list off the top of my head of powerful people who can make or break you: Lyor, Todd, Joie, Gee, Hop, Mark Pitts, Jay Brown, Dr Dre, Jimmy, etc. These, along with a few other people are the decision makers in hip hop. They make the machine work. Without one of them in your corner, you're going to be fighting an uphill battle. They are king makers. If they decide they want you to win, you almost always will win, or at least have a genuine shot at winning.

Respect: You need the established huge name artists of your time to respect you, shout you out, do records with you, and generally just cosign you. This is what I like to refer to as the dikk Sucking Effect. The general public are sheep. They follow. They have very little original thoughts and basically like what and who they are told to like. It's sad, it's true, it's always been like this.
This aspect has changed over time and the pool of cosigns that make any impact is much smaller. I'd argue that the only rapper cosigns that matter right now are: Drake, Jay, Ye, and Em. I'm referring to the cosign on the highest level. A proper, strong cosign from any of these 4 right now, today, has the greatest meaning you can get from any other rapper. There was a period of time where Khaled/Ross were in this group as well, but they diluted their brand so much with so many bad decisions that they have fallen into a 2nd or 3rd tear of cosign worth.

Now, seriously think about what I've laid out. If you research any current rapper that has any sort of stature, you will see that they almost all have 2 of these things going for them, especially when they first got hot.

I'll take the French example because it's the easiest to diagram off the top of my head. For anybody from the NY/NJ/CT area, we have been hearing about French foreverrrrrr. I remember French's Cocaine City DVD's, I remember his early Mac & Cheese tapes. He would put together some money and throw a song to flex to drop bombs on (which go for 5k a bomb last time I heard) and try to get a song moving in the city. He would get some traction regionally on Hot and Power, but that's about it. He linked up with Gaby (look him up if you don't know), Gaby put him with Puff, and now he has 2 pieces of the puzzle. He has the money and he has the respect. French started making a more serious move when they put out "Shot Caller". It did ok, he started to tour off of it, his quote went up, and now he was taken more seriously. Other rappers would work with him, that had stature, on a more regular basis and he became a solid 2nd tier act. Then, Drake did his verse on 'Pop That' and French completed the puzzle and for a small window of time actually became a legit force in the game, like it or not.

This is where you material quality comes into play. Frenchie sucks. I'm not afraid to be honest about that. He always has, always will. He is not a good rapper. His songs generally are awful. So even though for a short time he had all 3 things, he was unable to sustain and has fallen back to a second tier act.

The more interesting example of someone with all 3 things who somehow isn't a force of nature is J. Cole. He has and has had all 3 things since just about any of us have heard of him. Mark Pitts is his manager and has been for quite some time (before his deal). He has a Jay cosign. He has a huge resource pool provided by Roc Nation and Mark to tap into. It's a testament to how boring he is as a person that he isn't a mega star in rap yet. His material is good, he raps really well, but he's not relatable to a large audience. He's safe. He's very vanilla personality wise. He is who he is. If any of those 3 things didn't happen though, Cole would have been destined to be a mixtape rapper, and would have had a long career of touring for 1k-2k a night and breaking his ass to make a living.

Before I get bombarded with "you're stupid and fukking wrong" replies, these are just my experiences and observations from my years working rap. There is a rhyme and a reason to why things happen. Nobody just becomes a star on accident. There is a formula to how this business works, and there always will be. It's just that we, the fan, are not supposed to know how it works, because it breaks the illusion they have set in front of us. We are told and lead to believe that, we the consumer, have any sort of power in making someone famous or not. This is not the case, and it never will be. You know why Kendrick finally got that push most of you probably think he deserved? After having Drake in to work on Detox shortly after he met Wayne, Dre decided he wouldn't ever work and decided not to give him a deal. This is a true story btw that I have heard from several people. Dre had first crack at him, decided it was a loss leader, and let Wayne and them take him. The shame he felt for not seeing the next leader of the genre and letting him slip away, lead to him seeking out the 'next' one. Kendrick. Dre, talks to Jimmy, Jimmy tells Dre that he isn't giving him any more money until Detox is done. Dre decides to use the remaining Detox budget (I have heard anywhere from 10million to 25million) to make sure Kendrick becomes a legit star. The rest, again, is history.

Hope you guys enjoyed.

sorry breh, your boys a plant just like the rest of em
 

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"Mayonaise colored benz I push miracle whips"

"nikkas don't get the picture 'til the weapons is drawn"

"My pops knew exactly what he did when he made me/Tried to get a nut and he got a nut and what"

He ain't got those types of bars. SOrry.
You clearly never listened to a Drizzy project
 

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“Racism is still alive, yellow tapes and colored lines”

"Hotboxing Like George foreman grilling the masses of the working world"

"How Can I paint this picture, when the color blind is hangin witcha?" -Kendrick

Drake ain't got shyt like that. Dude ain't a rebel. He has to watch what he says. He might be the only rapper in the game who HAS NEVER, and I MEAN NEVER, addressed any political/societal issues. Not once.
 

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:heh: How much longer will coli pretend like drake can't rap this shyt is laughable. Is it due to the fact that he rose to the top so swiftly or is it because his albums have an rnb focus? nikkas on the coli never give him credit



 

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You clearly never listened to a Drizzy project

I was probably a supporter of his before you. Comeback Season to Take Care, then I stopped trucking with him because it's all refurbished music, and his lyrics are lazy. His best bars are on So Far Gone. Ignant shyt, Say What's Real, Unstoppable etc. Last time he snapped was probably on "Lord Knows" and that was 3 years ago. 5AM was good too, but wasn't scorching like 9AM. I know his shyt, but the dropoff is apparent
 

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every artist signed to a major label is a plant, drake is a plant just like chance or Eminem or wale. it's not a bad thing lmao. Of course labels gonna promote your ass if you're signed :dead:
 

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:heh: How much longer will coli pretend like drake can't rap this shyt is laughable. Is it due to the fact that he rose to the top so swiftly or is it because his albums have an rnb focus? nikkas on the coli never give him credit








Low standards.
 

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:heh: How much longer will coli pretend like drake can't rap this shyt is laughable. Is it due to the fact that he rose to the top so swiftly or is it because his albums have an rnb focus? nikkas on the coli never give him credit





How much longer are you guys gonna post Room For Improvement to So Far gone songs pretending that's the same artist. Dude ain't like that no more. If you was fukking with Drake since then. I started in late 07, then you would be disappointed by a lot of the shyt he's been putting out. Look at the Drop off from Ransom to Worst Behavior. Doesn't even sound like the same guy.
 

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“Racism is still alive, yellow tapes and colored lines”

"Hotboxing Like George foreman grilling the masses of the working world"

"How Can I paint this picture, when the color blind is hangin witcha?" -Kendrick

Drake ain't got shyt like that. Dude ain't a rebel. He has to watch what he says. He might be the only rapper in the game who HAS NEVER, and I MEAN NEVER, addressed any political/societal issues. Not once.
these ol average lyrics :laff:
 
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