Is hip-hop the only genre where you have to take care of grown men and woman after THEY fukk up?

[Maschine_Man]

That's actually arguable. Writing lyrics to rap song actually requires a great deal of skill in comparison to other genres of music. It sounds effortless when listening to the finished product, but creating a song from scratch isn't that simple.

actually, FOR THE MOST PART, no it isn't.

There will always be acceptions, but those can be tossed out the window. Writing a rap song, requires no knowledge of melody, harmonics, notation or anything like that.

I would make an educated guess that 95% of rappers couldn't even tell you the notes on a scale. Couldn't even recognize what a D chord sounds like. Or even have any clue on how to write a song...not a verse.
Most rappers know nothing about music theory.
WHere as for almost ANY other genre you have to know some type of music theory.

 

[JustCKing]

actually, FOR THE MOST PART, no it isn't.

There will always be acceptions, but those can be tossed out the window. Writing a rap song, requires no knowledge of melody, harmonics, notation or anything like that.

I would make an educated guess that 95% of rappers couldn't even tell you the notes on a scale. Couldn't even recognize what a D chord sounds like. Or even have any clue on how to write a song...not a verse.
Most rappers know nothing about music theory.
WHere as for almost ANY other genre you have to know some type of music theory.

I'm not just talking about it from a musical stand point. I'm talking strictly from a writing perspective. That is a skill within itself because it is closely related to writing a poem. Rap allows room to do things with words that other genres would limit. With rap, you're working with a blank canvas where the focus isn't on musical knowledge, but expression.

There's artists in other genres that know nothing of music theory either. You could take the average singer and they really don't have musical knowledge either. That's where a producer comes in at. They can take the most average artist and mold them into something great because the producer provides the musical expertise to polish whatever shortcomings the artist has.

 

[Zero]

Yall "super pro black" nikkas is what's wrong with us now. These fukkin rappers are clearly dumb as hell. Yes, this happens in other genres but nowhere near as much

Is hip-hop the only genre where you have to take care of grown men and woman after THEY fukk up?

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"Nah, it happens in other genres too"

Yall "super pro black" nikkas is what's wrong with us now. These fukkin rappers are clearly dumb as hell. Yes, this happens in other genres but nowhere near as much

 

[Maschine_Man]

I'm not just talking about it from a musical stand point. I'm talking strictly from a writing perspective. That is a skill within itself because it is closely related to writing a poem. Rap allows room to do things with words that other genres would limit. With rap, you're working with a blank canvas where the focus isn't on musical knowledge, but expression.

There's artists in other genres that know nothing of music theory either. You could take the average singer and they really don't have musical knowledge either. That's where a producer comes in at. They can take the most average artist and mold them into something great because the producer provides the musical expertise to polish whatever shortcomings the artist has.

10, 20 years ago I'd probably agree with you.
But listening to rap/hiphop nowadays I'm not so sure about that.

Nowadays the prerequisite to have a hit record is to regurgitate the exact same lyics,flows, and style of someone else.

Most singers have a basic understanding o fmusic though. Even just from a notation persepective. they also mostly understand harmonics and melodies.

 

[Insensitive]

this definitely happens in other genres. However I think it is more prevalent in hiphop just based off the fact that the rap game is just so much easier to get in the game.

Lets be real, out of all the genres of music rap, BY FAR requires the least amount of talent/skill.
which allows tons of ppl that chance to get in the game, and ultimately to be eaten up, and spit out and milked of any money that they have or can earn.

If it isn't Jazz or Classical, then it isn't difficult to get into it at all.
IF you wanna start a metal "band" TOMORROW, you could buy a guitar, learn the major and minor pentatonic
scales, download a drum pack and an e-bass, get any one of these daws free or paid and BOOM you're in business.
It doesn't mean you'd be a GOOD metal musician but you'd be a metal musician nonetheless.

The barrier of entry for music PERIOD in 2015 is incredibly low, I completely disagree with the idea
that Hip-Hop rap takes the "Least amount of talent/skill" it can be as complex and difficult as the rapper
wants it to be just as any other genre.

As for the topic at hand, really this issue seems to be common in any place where artists have access to their
vices and a bunch of yes men who don't care if they do better as long as they're along for the ride.
Marvin Gaye ? Loved coke, still an R&B GOAT.
Michael Jackson ? Messed around with prescription pills until they took him out, still an R&B GOAT.
James Brown ? Another story with some substance abuse in it.
Many, many artists famous and unknown have likely been around things that could halt or completely derail
their careers but they had no one to hold them down and stop them from engaging in something self destructive.

That's actually arguable. Writing lyrics to rap song actually requires a great deal of skill in comparison to other genres of music. It sounds effortless when listening to the finished product, but creating a song from scratch isn't that simple.

This.
I can rap my ass off but when it comes to writing songs that's a skill
I need to work on. And really it's only made me respect legends that much more
because I realize it's not nearly as easy as brehs like to act like it is

 

[SLCpremium]

I will never understand this

Rapper Alpha starts the grind get major success

Rapper Bravo gets signed by Alpha has small success

Time goes on ...... Rapper bravo can't sell no more then goes on to blame rapper alpha for not pouring more money that's not going to re coup into him


It's like clock work in the game

This is because rapper bravo is first signed and starts to write his best material for rapper alpha's project, then wheb it comes time to write his own, rapper bravo is pretty much fresh out of ideas and gets no help or push from rapper alpha, and in some (not all cases ) rapper alpha does undercompensate the project for rapper bravo.

 

[Shadow King]

act like this doesn't happen in other genres brehs

yall swear rappers are dumber than artists in other genre's

there's A LOT of failing rock and electronic artists out there too

While this is true, it's a bit unique to rap because we have a clique/squad culture and rappers having labels, whether full-blown or vanity brands. And a tendency for artist A to put on artist B. So when artist B is put on he's gonna feel a sense of loyalty to artist A and look for it to be reciprocated. Unless I'm ignorant to how rock artists move, there doesn't seem to be an artist A puts on artist B culture.

 

[scarlxrd]

No, hip hop isn't the only genre of music that does that. Rock comes to mind when you're talking about jealousy and lack of success in the ranks. Fallouts happen in every genre.

 

[stealthbomber]

While this is true, it's a bit unique to rap because we have a clique/squad culture and rappers having labels, whether full-blown or vanity brands. And a tendency for artist A to put on artist B. So when artist B is put on he's gonna feel a sense of loyalty to artist A and look for it to be reciprocated. Unless I'm ignorant to how rock artists move, there doesn't seem to be an artist A puts on artist B culture.

hip hop is more brash about it but like nas said

no idea's original

happens all the time

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

I will never understand this

Rapper Alpha starts the grind get major success

Rapper Bravo gets signed by Alpha has small success

Time goes on ...... Rapper bravo can't sell no more then goes on to blame rapper alpha for not pouring more money that's not going to re coup into him


It's like clock work in the game

that's NOT why you hear most rappers bytch tho


they don't blindly say "oh they didn't give me more free money"


what they usually say is, i didn't get the money in the first place that was OWED to me

and now that i'm not shyt to you... the least you could do is let me be free, so i can go make money somewhere else... but nah.. you holding me here on your label, AT THE SAME TIME, not letting me release music on your label... so i'm essentially not being allowed to make any money... not with you and not with anyone else.... and i got to feed myself and pay rent like everyone else



imagine you get a job... you don't do well... but instead of firing you... they say, don't come into work anymore and legally you can't get another job... how long before you start complaining

 

[ThaRealness]

act like this doesn't happen in other genres brehs

yall swear rappers are dumber than artists in other genre's

there's A LOT of failing rock and electronic artists out there too

I believe that, because craftsmanship is often overshadowed by strength of personality. producers are some of the most intelligent people on the other hand, because their work always stands on its own.

 

[stealthbomber]

It might be true because craftsmanship is often overshadowed by strength of personality. producers are some of the most intelligent people on the other hand, because their work always stands on its own.

agreed across the board

composers of music are generally smarter than people writing lyrics

there's a few poets in each generation though

 

[straightcash]

Chief Keef is a great example of a rapper who got chance after chance and blew it. His stans are equally ridiculous. They were blaming Interscope for all of Chief Keef's mixtape delays and tapes that never came out. Then he got dropped and he's still got those problems. I doubt Interscope had anything to do with his issues, in fact his lack of consistency and inability to perform live shows is probably why they dropped him.

Have you noticed that even the documentaries that he's been featured in, most of his footage was at his home or in his backyard? This kid has been spoonfed his whole career. Boy lucky he's got a cult of personality, and people are willing to do all that shyt for him. whether its running websites, or coming to your house just to get footage. After all that, now he caught himself a 360 deal for 7 albums.

 

[Maschine_Man]

If it isn't Jazz or Classical, then it isn't difficult to get into it at all.
IF you wanna start a metal "band" TOMORROW, you could buy a guitar, learn the major and minor pentatonic
scales, download a drum pack and an e-bass, get any one of these daws free or paid and BOOM you're in business.
It doesn't mean you'd be a GOOD metal musician but you'd be a metal musician nonetheless.

The barrier of entry for music PERIOD in 2015 is incredibly low, I completely disagree with the idea
that Hip-Hop rap takes the "Least amount of talent/skill" it can be as complex and difficult as the rapper
wants it to be just as any other genre.

Bruh, THAT alone makes it one step harder than just becoming a rapper.

You think just picking up a guitar and learning a few chords is all you need?

Writing the music, AND writing the lyrics, is already way more work than just becoming a rapper.


see you are making this more than what it is. There is definitely a difference between a rapper/writer like Nas or Eminem and a rapper like Soulja boy or Stitches.

But the point remains, you don't even NEED to be a good writer to get put on in hiphop. but you NEED to at least know how to play guitar and know basic musi ctheory before you can play metal(as per your example)

R&B you need to know how to sing, you need to have some kind of vocal talent
rock, R&B, country, even the majority of disney pop acts have to know basic music, and singing.




I know everyone wants to make rap seem like its so difficult so they can be in this exclusive club, but the facts show otherwise.

just like no one is ever gonna compare selena gomez to adele...two completely different levels of singing and music.

there is still the same divide in hiphop. No one is gonna compare Jayz to trinidad james.


There ARE great rappers, and there are some great writers that just can't be duplicated.

but there are WAY more average-below average rappers in the game that are getting put on.




Rap music is sold on image more than ANY other type of music. lots of Talent is not necessarily a pre-req to be a rap

 

[Maschine_Man]

that's NOT why you hear most rappers bytch tho


they don't blindly say "oh they didn't give me more free money"


what they usually say is, i didn't get the money in the first place that was OWED to me

and now that i'm not shyt to you... the least you could do is let me be free, so i can go make money somewhere else... but nah.. you holding me here on your label, AT THE SAME TIME, not letting me release music on your label... so i'm essentially not being allowed to make any money... not with you and not with anyone else.... and i got to feed myself and pay rent like everyone else



imagine you get a job... you don't do well... but instead of firing you... they say, don't come into work anymore and legally you can't get another job... how long before you start complaining

thats another big problem in hiphop. IS that EVERYONE thinks they are owed something. too many rappers get in the game and just don't understand the business. they think that because they recorded a bunch of songs that they are just owed something.


However, I do agree with your next point. If the label and doing anything with you they should let you go.
But at the same time, if they invested alot of money in your first project(for example) and then your next project comes up short...and you still owe them. They have no obligation to let you go to make more money for someone else.

What htey should do though, is allow you to move on, with stipulations that you are still required to pay back the money that you owe.