IS IT REALLY "HARD" TO BECOME A SURGEON?

[FUPA]

Everybody seems to be missing one hardly-ever spoke of quality to become a surgeon. You gotta be a psychopathI work with enough surgeons to know this is a little known fact about the field. They are all (mostly) crazy and they dont give a fukk about you, they just want the money. Some even get a sick pleasure from carving up humans, many would be killers if they didnt have an outlet for their bloodlust. Seriously, you have to have no empathy and a lack of remorse to be a surgeon. The average, psychologically well adjusted human can't spend 50+ hrs a week cutting people up like meat and putting them back together unless they are able to do so without and feelings or any emotions.

True but then again thats everyone that works in the OR. You can have no feelings and if someone dies and it was nothing you did fukk it on to the next. You should see the surgeons that work in Procurement.

 

[blackzeus]

Being a surgeon is analagous to memorizing your ABCs, anybody can do it Leave it to nikkaz who don't have masters to claim being a BRAIN SURGEON is not technically complicated. This can only be related to the color of Carson's skin, because nobody in their right mind has ever stated something so ridiculous in my lifetime

 

[EndDomination]

Everybody seems to be missing one hardly-ever spoke of quality to become a surgeon. You gotta be a psychopathI work with enough surgeons to know this is a little known fact about the field. They are all (mostly) crazy and they dont give a fukk about you, they just want the money. Some even get a sick pleasure from carving up humans, many would be killers if they didnt have an outlet for their bloodlust. Seriously, you have to have no empathy and a lack of remorse to be a surgeon. The average, psychologically well adjusted human can't spend 50+ hrs a week cutting people up like meat and putting them back together unless they are able to do so without and feelings or any emotions.

I think you're thinking of sociopathy, and that's generally a trait in all professions that require constant dedication and no fear of mistakes: CEOs, doctors, Law Partners, Hedge Fund Managers, high-ranking Political Leaders all commonly show sociopathic traits.

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

I think you're thinking of sociopathy, and that's generally a trait in all professions that require constant dedication and no fear of mistakes: CEOs, doctors, Law Partners, Hedge Fund Managers, high-ranking Political Leaders all commonly show sociopathic traits.

I'm no psychologist but I thought Sociopath = doesnt care about society, Psychopath = doesnt care about the individual?

 

[godkiller]

Before we start, please remember, "hard" and "easy" are RELATIVE terms...

1) I understand from a social perspective it is hard to become a surgeon based on educational bureaucracy...

2) Let us put those barriers aside and say that we are in a hypothetical society with unlimited resources that are spread equitably among the people, what will make becoming a surgeon "hard" in this society?

3) Think about it, most people graduate high school at 18...Do an undergrad until 22...A typical medical school until 26...A general surgery residency at 30...

Why is this significant? Because there are other skills in this world that the average human being can never truly master if he/she starts training after the age of 25...

Try learning the piano or violin at age 25 and see how well you do...But most our surgeons start at about 25 and are still able to master surgery...

4) What does that tell you? Surgery is not relatively "harder" or "easier" than other skills that humans can acquire...

5) If you have interest, a sharp memory and psychomotor dexterity (like most average humans who are engaged in mental and physical activity), I don't see why somebody would neg rep me for stating that become a surgeon isn't as difficult as people make it seem to be...

The answer is yes. It is significant because it requires great intelligence to do well enough in university to attend medical and then to do well enough in medical school to get into a surgery residency. That alone testifies to how hard it is to become a surgeon.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Being a surgeon is analagous to memorizing your ABCs, anybody can do it Leave it to nikkaz who don't have masters to claim being a BRAIN SURGEON is not technically complicated. This can only be related to the color of Carson's skin, because nobody in their right mind has ever stated something so ridiculous in my lifetime

This is clearly a racist thread. Cac trickery to devalue an accomplished black man.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

You're an M1 and you think surgery is that simple?
Ask any of your professors, any doctor at the teaching hospital, and administration, shyt, even ask one of your fellow students if becoming a surgeon and performing surgery is easy: see how hard they laugh at you.
Score a 265 or higher on the USMLE Step 1 and then come back and tell us how easy it is.

The USMLE Step 1 is a BUREAUCRACY...

You don't even need to go to Medical School to study and ace the USMLE Step 1...

Hard and easy are relative terms...

Surgery is DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION, but that goes for excellence in ANY profession...

I have asked a surgeon this question, and he told me "no, when you enjoy something, it just about investing time to master it"...

But other doctors have told me becoming a surgeon is tough...

 

[tmonster]

Everybody seems to be missing one hardly-ever spoke of quality to become a surgeon. You gotta be a psychopathI work with enough surgeons to know this is a little known fact about the field. They are all (mostly) crazy and they dont give a fukk about you, they just want the money. Some even get a sick pleasure from carving up humans, many would be killers if they didnt have an outlet for their bloodlust. Seriously, you have to have no empathy and a lack of remorse to be a surgeon. The average, psychologically well adjusted human can't spend 50+ hrs a week cutting people up like meat and putting them back together unless they are able to do so without and feelings or any emotions.

this thread is gold

 

[tmonster]

The USMLE Step 1 is a BUREAUCRACY...

You don't even need to go to Medical School to study and ace the USMLE Step 1...

Hard and easy are relative terms...

Surgery is DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION, but that goes for excellence in ANY profession...

I have asked a surgeon this question, and he told me "no, when you enjoy something, it just about investing time to master it"...

But other doctors have told me becoming a surgeon is tough...

Don't ever change

 

[tmonster]

I am doing medical school right now

 

[godkiller]

Most people don't want to be in school until 30. Its really all about dedication and hard work. So in that sense it is hard.

A person has to be able to score top marks in medical school to become a surgeon. To score top marks a medical student has to write better exams than most other medical students, which is a challenge in itself. It is not all "dedication and hard work" to become a surgeon. It takes talent and intellect too.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

A person has to be able to score top marks in medical school to become a surgeon. To score top marks a medical student has to write better exams than most other medical students, which is a challenge in itself. It is not all "dedication and hard work" to become a surgeon. It takes talent and intellect too.

1) I am not denying that....But that is the BUREAUCRACY...

2) Please show me any evidence that the USMLE Step 1 is an accurate predictor of clinical skills?

3) The test is NOT evidence based...

4) This is my hypothesis...If you take 2 medical students with similar passing grades and interest in surgery...You make Student 1 go through the USA medical system as is, and you put Student 2 in a program that teaches him/her the principles of surgery (without going through the USMLE and all that other jazz), I will better at the end of 4 years, the student who didn't have to write the USMLE and start learning hands on from jump, will be MUCH MORE qualified surgeon than the Student who went through the bureaucracy...

And if you repeat the experiment multiple times, the results will be CONSISTENT...

5) I truly believe this...I am searching for Systematic Review Study about the USMLE Step 1's ability to predict future success...If you have seen one, pass me the link...

 

[godkiller]

1) I am not denying that....But that is the BUREAUCRACY...

2) Please show me any evidence that the USMLE Step 1 is an accurate predictor of clinical skills?

3) The test is NOT evidence based...

4) This is my hypothesis...If you take 2 medical students with similar passing grades and interest in surgery...You make Student 1 go through the USA medical system as is, and you put Student 2 in a program that teaches him/her the principles of surgery (without going through the USMLE and all that other jazz), I will better at the end of 4 years, the student who didn't have to write the USMLE and start learning hands on from jump, will be MUCH MORE qualified surgeon than the Student who went through the bureaucracy...

And if you repeat the experiment multiple times, the results will be CONSISTENT...

5) I truly believe this...I am searching for Systematic Review Study about the USMLE Step 1's ability to predict future success...If you have seen one, pass me the link...

Your prattle aside, the USMLE tests are basically a standardized memory and intelligence tests with the competing students being top undergraduate students. The best students whom score the best marks get surgery as their first choice and go onto surgery residencies. Even a normal medical student is generally very smart, let alone a top one. Thus one must have superior intellect to become a surgeon.

USMLE test marks do predict things, I remember reading, so just go Google it.

 

[godkiller]

it's working with your hands

if someone with some talent got the applied side of the training without all the theory you need for an MD and pre-med he'd probably be just as good

but people don't want random people with no real intelligence in the profession just cuz they have good dexterity, it's important enough that we only allow smart people to do it

like do you want someone cutting you up who doesn't really know what he's doing beyond "cut this, stitch this" etc. I want the one who spent his whole life learning about the human body and shyt, makes me feel safer

Intelligent people also make fewer mistakes, are more efficient and better understand what they are doing, as well as any consequences related to their actions. An educated surgeon knows where to cut, how much to cut, how much bleeding is allowable, whether infection is likely, how to best fix the problem, how to best suture it, etc. Nobody wants a moron fukking with their knee's cartilage whereupon they end up having to have their knee go under surgery 3 more times because the last surgeon fukked it up.

 

[tmonster]

In medical school, you are told the heart is the mediastinum