IS IT REALLY "HARD" TO BECOME A SURGEON?

[skokiaan]

people ITT saying its easy being a surgeon but still being oblivious of sarcasm

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

as long as you can manually do the work with high accuracy you're good for most shyt

maybe an 8 year college+MD grad would have the broad background to do some exotic unprecedented shyt (like separating twins i guess since Carson was the first to do that) better than someone who did a 2 year trades program in surgery (if such a thing existed)

but pulling teeth, popping cysts, c-sections, anyone with the hand training can do that routine shyt

all the education they need is more about keeping salaries high in the profession by enforcing barriers not cuz theory helps you in daily work

There is no such thing as routine surgery.

 

[Zach Lowe]

There is no such thing as routine surgery.

so every surgery performed in world history was unique

ok



i wonder how my dentist's gonna pull that 7th grader's tooth tomorrow, it could totally be different from the past 10,000 times he did it

tomorrow might be the day he fukks it up

 

[tmonster]

this is interesting, u convince people its easy and u been doing it for 6 years yet u boast about dishing Ls to students who are just starting outin a way u saying its not easy thats why despite all ur experience u still as good low level surgeons etc..and if it were that easy u would be working on getting that degree by now....and u not being clear about the work done wen planning the surgery etc...there is more to science than just handling sterile tools.

hell don't forget diagnosis and post-surgical care

 

[FUPA]

this is interesting, u convince people its easy and u been doing it for 6 years yet u boast about dishing Ls to students who are just starting outin a way u saying its not easy thats why despite all ur experience u still as good low level surgeons etc..and if it were that easy u would be working on getting that degree by now....and u not being clear about the work done wen planning the surgery etc...there is more to science than just handling sterile tools.

I talk about handing Ls because some of these guy been going to school and clinics for atleast 6 years and they still dont know their way around until they start getting hands on. My point is that its a very fukk the books and do it hands on and everyone can learn. The preop as i said is the hard part and its usually done by internal doctors that have found the root of ailments. Yes their is pre planning for hard cases when different variables come into play. BUT when you have seen alot of different plays you already kinda know what way you gonna go or what to do. Science is made for lab rats and internal MDs. The OR is where you get to when you have been diagnosed and something needs repair or something needs to come out. Very little science is used more memorizing the anatomical structures and its surrounding is used.

 

[tmonster]

I talk about handing Ls because some of these guy been going to school and clinics for atleast 6 years and they still dont know their way around until they start getting hands on. My point is that its a very fukk the books and do it hands on and everyone can learn. The preop as i said is the hard part and its usually done by internal doctors that have found the root of ailments. Yes their is pre planning for hard cases when different variables come into play. BUT when you have seen alot of different plays you already kinda know what way you gonna go or what to do. Science is made for lab rats and internal MDs. The OR is where you get to when you have been diagnosed and something needs repair or something needs to come out. Very little science is used more memorizing the anatomical structures and its surrounding is used.

I like it when guys like you think like this

 

[skokiaan]

I talk about handing Ls because some of these guy been going to school and clinics for atleast 6 years and they still dont know their way around until they start getting hands on. My point is that its a very fukk the books and do it hands on and everyone can learn. The preop as i said is the hard part and its usually done by internal doctors that have found the root of ailments. Yes their is pre planning for hard cases when different variables come into play. BUT when you have seen alot of different plays you already kinda know what way you gonna go or what to do. Science is made for lab rats and internal MDs. The OR is where you get to when you have been diagnosed and something needs repair or something needs to come out. Very little science is used more memorizing the anatomical structures and its surrounding is used.

and u still get to ask the person who studied hard and got the certification if there is a slight chance something about to go wrong dont you despite your experience and good memory.

 

[EndDomination]

1) Stop the bullshat...You don't need physics to cut a body...Cutting a body is a psychological and psychomotor thing...You don't need to think about it...With enough practice, you learn...

If you can thread a needle, you have the basic fine motor skills to learn how to hold a scalpel and make incisions...The rest is memorization and experience...

2) There is very little physics in medicine, and the physics that there is very BASIC...The average human being can understand it...

3) It is funny to me how some of you people are IGNORING THE FACTS that many medical schools a) DON'T require a science undergrad anymore...b) They don't ask for MCATs anymore...

4) Surgeons are just average humans who had an interest in that field...I respect anybody who is a surgeon for the fact that they were mentally strong enough to successfully jump over the educational barriers that society has erected...

But as far as knowledge and technique is concerned, any human being who is interested and has no nervous system deficits and muscular issues, can become a surgeon...

a) You master human anatomy and b) You practice technique on a cadaver....What is so hard about that? The hardest thing is going through years of memorization...And that is NOT even hard, it just a matter of interest and time...

How many rap lyrics have some of you memorized...If you replaced that nonsense with some really knowledge you will realize that you too could be a brain surgeon if you were INTERESTED in that field...

5) If you don't believe that, damn, you think low of yourself...Stop drinking the elitist Kool-Aid

This is blatantly untrue, there are no US medical schools that allow someone to waive the MCAT, and a "science undergrad" was never a requirement, just a solid GPA in Bio I, II, Biostats & Biochem, Calc I & II, Gen Chem I & II and Orgo Chem I& II, Physics I & II, Sociology, Immunology and Anatomy/Phys.

And trust me, surgery is simply not as easy as you're making it sound.

 

[beenz]

my sister in law is an anethesiologist resident right now. she just graduated med school a couple months ago. that shyt is no joke. when it comes to administering those kinda drugs, you have to be trained out the ass, cuz if you fukk up, you will kill someone. MJ died cuz of too much anesthesia that he was foolishly being allowed to have as a sleeping aid

as for my sister in law, she took a couple years off after undergrad and worked, and ended up going to med school cuz she wanted to have a better career. she only 27 now, but she's gonna be 30+ before she starts making her $200K+ annually.

 

[EndDomination]

Please educate the p

'Hard' is relative...

I personally do not believe MEMORIZING anatomical structure and pathophysiology and practicing surgical technique on cadavers is "hard"...That shyt is a piece of cake to me...

I have learned that many people don't attempt challenges because they seem "hard" but when you get that knowledge and practice, you will wake up 10 years later

1) I have done many things...Recently I was a Physiotherapist's Assistant, and then realized I was being "cheated" for knowing just as much, but getting paid much less...

So, I became a Physiotherapist...I worked in a Mental Health Hospital...I was observing what was going on and noticed that, when we had patients who coded (health status rapidly declined), the nurses with lots of intensive care (ICU) experience were SCHOOLING the new Resident Doctors...

Once I even heard a new resident doctor say "if it wasn't for the nurses' help, I wouldn't even know were to start"....This is VERY COMMON...

These nurses have gained the most CRITICAL (life and death) medical experience through years of experience, and they WERE NOT getting compensated for their knowledge and experience...

2) I wanted to validate my observation so I spoke with my father who is Medical Doctor, and his opinion was that nurses in the USA and Canada are so WELL trained that they could pass for doctors in Third World countries, and it was pretty much a waste of time to be a nurse over long period of time, because if you are actively learning and keeping up with new research, eventually, you will gain the knowledge and experience to make good clinical decision...Better than an inexperience Resident Doctor...

But, the Resident Doctor will be given more money and power than you...

3) So, I said fcuk it...I will go to Med School and become a doctor too...So far, this shyt is PURE MEMORIZATION...Anybody who has a critical thinking mind can become a doctor and go on to become a surgeon...It is time consuming and requires DEDICATION...

But I WOULD NOT define this as "hard"...

4) To be honest, I have a STRONG academic background...And I will admit maybe that's why it seems easier for me than it would for certain people...But one of my classmates has VERY LITTLE post-highschool science experience than me...But she is getting better grades than me...Why? She spends more time studying...It is a lot of work but she doesn't find it hard to learn...

This lets me know your opinion is null and void. If you were a PA, your knowledge was no where near as broad or as full as the physiologist themselves. The same is true of nurses who think that they know just as much as doctors: they simply do not.
And comparing nurses in the First World to doctors in the Third World is also ludicrous, a Brazilian doctor, an Indian doctor, a South African doctor, a Nigerian doctor, all of them have knowledge that exceeds the knowledge of any nurse in the US who wasn't a medical researcher. Your father is wrong, point blank.

 

[EndDomination]

1) I think a good memory and a background in philosophy/logic, statistics and communication will be more beneficial in the long run than physics or chemistry...

2) I am doing medical school right now...It is PREDOMINANTLY memorization...Especially anatomy...You just have to memorize...What is so hard about that?

Most people are not interested, and that's the biggest obstacle...Because when you are interested, all you need to do is spend time reading it over and over again, and use it in your everyday life, and it is going to become second nature...

You're an M1 and you think surgery is that simple?
Ask any of your professors, any doctor at the teaching hospital, and administration, shyt, even ask one of your fellow students if becoming a surgeon and performing surgery is easy: see how hard they laugh at you.
Score a 265 or higher on the USMLE Step 1 and then come back and tell us how easy it is.

 

[EndDomination]

whats so easy about becoming an astronaut?

Apparently astrophysics and mechanical engineering are easy just like surgery
Let me find out OP didn't have a 4.0 in school

 

[skokiaan]

You're an M1 and you think surgery is that simple?

thats the thing, first year of everything is usually about memorizing how things work (basic) and the names. bet this poster will disappear from the coli once things start getting serious and he realise its much deeper than just knowing the names and functions of organs.

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

Everybody seems to be missing one hardly-ever spoke of quality to become a surgeon. You gotta be a psychopathI work with enough surgeons to know this is a little known fact about the field. They are all (mostly) crazy and they dont give a fukk about you, they just want the money. Some even get a sick pleasure from carving up humans, many would be killers if they didnt have an outlet for their bloodlust. Seriously, you have to have no empathy and a lack of remorse to be a surgeon. The average, psychologically well adjusted human can't spend 50+ hrs a week cutting people up like meat and putting them back together unless they are able to do so without and feelings or any emotions.

 

[FUPA]

and u still get to ask the person who studied hard and got the certification if there is a slight chance something about to go wrong dont you despite your experience and good memory.

nope I dont if something goes wrong you fix it not worry about what can happen.