IS IT REALLY "HARD" TO BECOME A SURGEON?

[Zach Lowe]

I bet 3 out of 5 surgeons would admit that outright if you cornered them breh, your logic is so relentless

if their job is hard to them it has nothing to do with having to deal with science cuz they don't do science

i'm sure your GP has a bunch of math and physics equations flying around in his head when he pokes a hole in your butt to drain a zit or asks you to cough

 

[Ciggavelli]

I used to think surgeons were like glorified mechanics

Then I had some serious lung surgery that coulda killed me. One wrong move and I coulda been dead. We're talking millimeters here.

If a mechanic fukks something up, he can try again. If a surgeon fukks something up, you're dead.

I have the utmost respect for surgeons. They have a much harder job than non-surgeon doctors.

I think anybody that can memorize can be a GP. Not everybody can be a surgeon though. Imagine having people's lives in your hands every day. One small misstep and you killed them.

 

[TransJenner]

I got negged and I didn't even say anything bad at all

 

[ThiefyPoo]

From wikipedia:

In 1987, Carson successfully separated conjoined twins, the Binder twins, who had been joined at the back of the head (craniopagus twins). The 70-member surgical team, led by Carson, worked for 22 hours. Both twins survived.

I'd like to see thread starter try that. (Actually no, I wouldn't want to actually see that).

Son Ty for bringing that up .

I was tryna find a pic of this surgeon and his team doing work for 20 hours

His assistant passed out on the floor afterwards.

Talking bout easy

 

[stepbackj34spud]

What a moronic thread. Talk about media influencing the way people think.. Throw this shyt in the bushes.

 

[concise]

at me dapping posts on both sides of the argument.

But the "it's not that hard" people have a bit of a point - if you are willing to study non-stop and are willing to sacrifice having a social life, you can do a lot. The common sense of some of these people out here is

Red reps making threads

This by far the best thread I've seen here since the latest General Mills story thread.

1) Surgery really has nothing to do will all those courses...In Canada you DON'T need a science degree to attend some of our medical schools...All you need is the most basic science courses...

You don't need a science degree for most schools in the states either, but I'm pretty sure you are way off-base saying you need "the most basic science courses".

 

[nineteeneightysix]

I basically stopped reading once you said basic science and physics aren't used by a surgeon on a daily basis. I can assure you when your azz gets appendicitis, you are going to want a board certified surgeon working on you, not some 'self-trained' street doctor. This isn't a TV show.

1) Nobody is talking self-trained street doctors...I am only questioning the educational barriers placed in front of people to stop them from achieving their goals...

2) Elitist want to keep the knowledge for themselves, and they charge a HEFTY price to anybody who wants to join the club...

3) The question is what skills are required to perform an appendectomy and what makes you believe acquiring these skills are simply "too hard" for the average human being...That is my question...

Is it really hard to learn that the appendix is located in the right lower quadrant of the abdomen...Is it really hard to spend time with cadavers and get exposed to the internal organization of the human body...Is it really hard to learn how to use the proper instruments?

Just because something requires time and dedication, it doesn't necessarily make it "hard"...Unless your memory and psychomotor dexterity are impaired...

 

[nineteeneightysix]

at me dapping posts on both sides of the argument.
But the "it's not that hard" people have a bit of a point - if you are willing to study non-stop and are willing to sacrifice having a social life, you can do a lot. The common sense of some of these people out here is
This by far the best thread I've seen here since the latest General Mills story thread.
You don't need a science degree for most schools in the states either, but I'm pretty sure you are way off-base saying you need "the most basic science courses".

1) I think a good memory and a background in philosophy/logic, statistics and communication will be more beneficial in the long run than physics or chemistry...

2) I am doing medical school right now...It is PREDOMINANTLY memorization...Especially anatomy...You just have to memorize...What is so hard about that?

Most people are not interested, and that's the biggest obstacle...Because when you are interested, all you need to do is spend time reading it over and over again, and use it in your everyday life, and it is going to become second nature...

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

Excellent thread. Shame it was moved because dudes in their feelings.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I think it's pretty fukcin hard to slice somebody open.

 

[tmonster]

if their job is hard to them it has nothing to do with having to deal with science cuz they don't do science

i'm sure your GP has a bunch of math and physics equations flying around in his head when he pokes a hole in your butt to drain a zit or asks you to cough

Are you laughing at me?
I already agree with you, you persuaded wit dat fiyah rhetoric
I want to learn your ways
gain more confidence

 

[tmonster]

I used to think surgeons were like glorified mechanics

Then I had some serious lung surgery that coulda killed me. One wrong move and I coulda been dead. We're talking millimeters here.

If a mechanic fukks something up, he can try again. If a surgeon fukks something up, you're dead.

I have the utmost respect for surgeons. They have a much harder job than non-surgeon doctors.

I think anybody that can memorize can be a GP. Not everybody can be a surgeon though. Imagine having people's lives in your hands every day. One small misstep and you killed them.

you ain't lived until you seen a Trauma surgeon open someone's chest in the trauma bay, shyt is balls to the walls
but shyt type easy though, I could do that shyt on the weekends if I feel like it

 

[Zach Lowe]

now it's hard cuz it's gruesome

i guess every foot soldier in the army is some type of superman too

 

[Mowgli]

Please educate the p

'Hard' is relative...

I personally do not believe MEMORIZING anatomical structure and pathophysiology and practicing surgical technique on cadavers is "hard"...That shyt is a piece of cake to me...

I have learned that many people don't attempt challenges because they seem "hard" but when you get that knowledge and practice, you will wake up 10 years later

1) I have done many things...Recently I was a Physiotherapist's Assistant, and then realized I was being "cheated" for knowing just as much, but getting paid much less...

So, I became a Physiotherapist...I worked in a Mental Health Hospital...I was observing what was going on and noticed that, when we had patients who coded (health status rapidly declined), the nurses with lots of intensive care (ICU) experience were SCHOOLING the new Resident Doctors...

Once I even heard a new resident doctor say "if it wasn't for the nurses' help, I wouldn't even know were to start"....This is VERY COMMON...

These nurses have gained the most CRITICAL (life and death) medical experience through years of experience, and they WERE NOT getting compensated for their knowledge and experience...

2) I wanted to validate my observation so I spoke with my father who is Medical Doctor, and his opinion was that nurses in the USA and Canada are so WELL trained that they could pass for doctors in Third World countries, and it was pretty much a waste of time to be a nurse over long period of time, because if you are actively learning and keeping up with new research, eventually, you will gain the knowledge and experience to make good clinical decision...Better than an inexperience Resident Doctor...

But, the Resident Doctor will be given more money and power than you...

3) So, I said fcuk it...I will go to Med School and become a doctor too...So far, this shyt is PURE MEMORIZATION...Anybody who has a critical thinking mind can become a doctor and go on to become a surgeon...It is time consuming and requires DEDICATION...

But I WOULD NOT define this as "hard"...

4) To be honest, I have a STRONG academic background...And I will admit maybe that's why it seems easier for me than it would for certain people...But one of my classmates has VERY LITTLE post-highschool science experience than me...But she is getting better grades than me...Why? She spends more time studying...It is a lot of work but she doesn't find it hard to learn...

HOw much of surgery do you think is memorization

 

[tmonster]

now it's hard cuz it's gruesome

i guess every foot soldier in the army is some type of superman too

Soldiers are superhuman?!!!!!