Is it the consensus of heads tha the GOAT producer in rap is between Primo and Ye?

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My personal favourites are Preem, Pete Rock, Nujabes, Dilla and Dre. Kanye has a dozen or so beats I can bump regularly but the others I mentioned have a plethora of beats I can bump. shyt, I could listen to Pete and Preem's samples alone and vibe good.

Besides.. Preem didn't have an entire platoon of people crafting his shyt. Ye tho..:yeshrug:
 

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Dr. Dre end of discussion

Straight Outta Compton - CLASSIC
Eazy Duz It - Classic
nikkaz4Life - Classic
No One Can Do It Better - Classic
100 Miles N Runnin EP - Classic
The Chronic - Classic
2001 - Classic

that's 7 Classic Albums Produced By Dr. Dre
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He's not even close:

Quincy Jones
Teddy Riley
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
David Foster
Babyface
Timbaland
The Neptunes

^^^^ all greater than Kanye West as pop producers by the greatest of margins. Even as overall producers, not limiting it to genres or styles, all of them are >>>>>> Kanye.
Timbaland? Get all the way the fukk outta here mannnnnnn
 

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Dr. Dre end of discussion

Straight Outta Compton - CLASSIC
Eazy Duz It - Classic
nikkaz4Life - Classic
No One Can Do It Better - Classic
100 Miles N Runnin EP - Classic
The Chronic - Classic
2001 - Classic

that's 7 Classic Albums Produced By Dr. Dre

Doggystyle?
 

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Timbaland? Get all the way the fukk outta here mannnnnnn

Timbaland >>>>> Kanye. As a Hip Hop producer, yeah, I could see Kanye being >>>>>. As an overall producer, Kanye is not seeing Timbaland at all for the following reasons:

- Timbaland's impact and influence>>>>> Kanye's. You have him breaking new ground with the drum programming he was using in the mid- 90's with the Aaliyah and Ginuwine albums. Then he came with the Middle Eastern and Indian samples with "Big Pimpin'" and "Get Ur Freak On". Then there was the beginning of the Euro dance scene in which "SexyBack" and "The Way I are" helped push mainstream. There's producers from T-Minus, Boi-1da, J. Cole, even Kanye himself who cite Timbo as an influence. You have Stevie J. saying Timbaland's sound influenced the production on "Notorious Thugs".

- Timbaland has produced or helmed R&B albums and Pop albums that were huge and had a big impact on music. There's The Bachelor, One In A Million, Futuresex/Lovesounds, and Missy's albums. Kanye's done R&B and Pop records, but nothing he's done in those genres outside of Alicia's "You Don't Know My Name" and his work on Get Lifted comes close to what Timbaland's done with those artists.

- Kanye doesn't have the longevity that Timbaland has. Timbaland broke through in '96 and is still relevant solely as a producer. Timbaland produced some of the biggest albums of 2013 and this was 17 years after scoring his first big record.

- Look at the careers that Timbaland impacted vs. Kanye. Who knew who Ginuwine was before "Pony"? His sound shaped Missy's entire career. "Cry Me A River" legitimized Justin Timberlake as a solo artist. He re-defined the careers of Aaliyah and Nelly Furtado. He's also been influential in the career of Jay Z. He's given these artist their biggest and more importantly, some of their best records.

- You want to talk envelope pushing, ground breaking and innovation? Timbaland had crickets and laughing babies on Top 40. That's not to mention, he produced a dope Hip Hop/Country mash-up for Bubba Sparxxx.
 

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Well, I don't get your point about sales. You talked about inflated props which refers to reception & critical acclaim, rather than commercial performance (which doesn't always mean the Album is a classic). Illmatic went plat and according to Soundscan, OB4CL sold more than a mill. Not to mention both albums received huge critical acclaim and props since day 1, so I don't see how they get inflated props on the coli. You could've mentionned better examples really.

Goodie Mob - Soul Food
Common - Resurrection
Spice 1 - 187 He Wrote
UGK - Ridin' Dirty
Geto Boys - We can't be Stopped

These albums weren't anymore commercially performant than Illmatic/OB4CL but they've been regarded as classics. You could also add 8Ball & MJG - Comin' Out Hard & The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde as well.
Post like this are the reason I created this poll

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/which-albums-are-global-classics.347895/

So far,this the poll standings

Which albums are global (non regional) classics to you?
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  1. Goodie Mob - Soul Food
    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  2. Common - Resurrection
    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  3. Spice 1 - 187 He Wrote
    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. UGK - Ridin' Dirty
    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  5. Geto Boys - We can't be Stopped
    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  6. 8Ball & MJG - Comin' Out Hard
    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II
    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  8. Only built 4 cuban linx
    15 vote(s)
    53.6%
  9. Illmatic
    21 vote(s)
    75.0%
  10. Thuglife Vol1
    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  11. The Infamous
    12 vote(s)
    42.9%
  12. Master P the ice cream man
    2 vote(s)
    7.1%

And nikkas like @I.AM.PIFF werent man enough to say "ok bro i see what you're saying. But i give up the real ALL THE TIME
 
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