Is it the consensus of heads tha the GOAT producer in rap is between Primo and Ye?

[bigbadbossup2012]

Something doesn't have to sell millions to be a classic. Most classics in hop hop don't sell huge numbers.

I totally agree. HOWEVER east coast is the ONLY region that has albums that didnt perform well commercially that get touted as classics,where as quality albums from other places that didnt sell big get belittled as REGIONAL classics or not classic at all.

 

[I love Latina women]

for the longest, dr. dre was the goat in my opinion but my opinion on that changed a little while back (too many other cooks in the kitchen when it came to his production work over time for him to be considered the goat and yes all producers have some type of help at some point or other but with dre, it just has always seemed like more than most, at least to me anyway). but i will say, dre's crisp and clear sound is truly somethin' else. his mixin' is brilliant.

rza was always in that number 2 slot, right behind dre imo. dre had done the n.w.a. albums, eazy's 1st album, d.o.c.'s, the chronic, doggystyle then came rza with the wu's 36 chambers and a shyt load of the 1st wave of wu solo members albums and all in 4 years, 5 if you count when they really started before they made their debut. but like dre, rza had this mindblowin' run of production work that forever changed hip hop

then there was premier who for me was always in that number 3 spot. while both dre and rza trail blazed durin' their runs, premier did too yet unlike them, he was able to sustain a far better run and not burn out. plus, he kept gettin' better, even into the 2000s and beyond. premier to me, his sound has always been "hip hop", like just that head noddin' shyt that you ain't even gotta hear a nikka rhymin' over to really enjoy it, that's just how great and classic his beats and production work is. i've come to realize that he's the only producer who's beats and production i can enjoy listenin' all of their instrumentals without hearin' a soul rappin' over them. don't get me wrong, i love quik's work and i love dilla's work but there isn't single dj premier instrumental that i don't love. sometimes when you hear instrumentals, there are some instrumentals that can get borin' after a while if the beat doesn't really go anywhere and an mc rappin' over it is missin' but not with dj premier's beats or at least not in my opinion

but with his production from his gang starr run, to his contributions to nas' illmatic/stillmatic, to his production work on jeru's wrath of the math and the sun rises in the east albums, biggie's songs, the group home's livin' proof album, jigga's shyt, m.o.p., big shug, d'angelo, christina aguilera, kanye's shyt (remember ye' even got his help with "i wonder" for scratches, and "classic" remix) his remixes and then his most recent work with royce da 5'9 too and his remix for lion babe's "wonder woman" song (and it could be argued that his contribution on dre's "compton" album is by far is the greatest thing bout the whole damn album then again i wouldn't even say it's an argument )

premier got a good amount of officially released unreleased music too, random instrumental albums (that "beats collected dust series" vol. 1 and vol. 2)

i look at it like this too, both dre and rza fell off some years ago while premier is still puttin' music with really really good quality after over 20 some years

dj premier = the goat

then everyone else comes in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th etc... place

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

People who say Kanye ain't 1 of the greatest Hip-Hop producers really don't make music themselves.

 

[JustCKing]

@ Kanye pushing Hip Hop's musical advancement .
Like Quik and Dre don't completely fukking shut that argument down
just by looking at their music from the decade prior to ye ever getting hot.

Yeah and that's crazy. If it's about Hip Hop's musical advancement, there's several producers you could throw into the hat that surpass Ye in that regard:

Organized Noize / Earthtone III- the stuff they were doing for Kast still sounds ahead of it's time

Timbaland- from the stuttering drum programming to throwing crickets into the beat to the laughing baby to the Middle Eastern and Indian influences. There's also what he and Danja were doing with EDM that influenced Kanye. There was something about Kanye saying how he didn't like how "Stronger" sounded next to "The Way I Are" in the club, which inspired him to have Timbo re-do the drums. He even went as far as saying without Futuresex/Lovesounds that Graduation wouldn't sound the way that it does.

The Neptunes- that whole minimalist sound and they had Yeezus sounding beats before Yeezus.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

But you didnt answer the question.
@SirBiatch Prove me wrong,same question to you

"Name me an non east coast (or east coast catered) album that's not commercially successful,that gets called CLASSIC on this board like an illmatic or OB4CL"

Well, I don't get your point about sales. You talked about inflated props which refers to reception & critical acclaim, rather than commercial performance (which doesn't always mean the Album is a classic). Illmatic went plat and according to Soundscan, OB4CL sold more than a mill. Not to mention both albums received huge critical acclaim and props since day 1, so I don't see how they get inflated props on the coli. You could've mentionned better examples really.

Goodie Mob - Soul Food
Common - Resurrection
Spice 1 - 187 He Wrote
UGK - Ridin' Dirty
Geto Boys - We can't be Stopped

These albums weren't anymore commercially performant than Illmatic/OB4CL but they've been regarded as classics. You could also add 8Ball & MJG - Comin' Out Hard & The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde as well.

 

[MikeyC]

Yeah and that's crazy. If it's about Hip Hop's musical advancement, there's several producers you could throw into the hat that surpass Ye in that regard:

Organized Noize / Earthtone III- the stuff they were doing for Kast still sounds ahead of it's time

Timbaland- from the stuttering drum programming to throwing crickets into the beat to the laughing baby to the Middle Eastern and Indian influences. There's also what he and Danja were doing with EDM that influenced Kanye. There was something about Kanye saying how he didn't like how "Stronger" sounded next to "The Way I Are" in the club, which inspired him to have Timbo re-do the drums. He even went as far as saying without Futuresex/Lovesounds that Graduation wouldn't sound the way that it does.

The Neptunes- that whole minimalist sound and they had Yeezus sounding beats before Yeezus.

Neptunes music catered for the masses, Yeezus was the total opposite of that.

 

[JustCKing]

Neptunes music catered for the masses, Yeezus was the total opposite of that.

Whether it was catered to the masses isn't the point. The point is that sonically, especially in regard to having a minimalist sound, they were already on that.

For the record, projecting your image on the side of buildings in major cities in the world isn't exactly the opposite of catering to the masses. Having Daft Punk co-produce your songs when they just put out a #1 hit isn't the opposite of catering to the masses.

 

[MikeyC]

Whether it was catered to the masses isn't the point. The point is that sonically, especially in regard to having a minimalist sound, they were already on that.

For the record, projecting your image on the side of buildings in major cities in the world isn't exactly the opposite of catering to the masses. Having Daft Punk co-produce your songs when they just put out a #1 hit isn't the opposite of catering to the masses.

In Yeezus I hear glitch-hop, glam rock, punk, a bit of dancehall, trap, industrial, dark sounding ambient, deep house and, Bound 2, some of his trademark chipmunk soul.

Not one of those sounds/genres i would associate with the Neptunes.

 

[Insensitive]

Yeah and that's crazy. If it's about Hip Hop's musical advancement, there's several producers you could throw into the hat that surpass Ye in that regard:

Organized Noize / Earthtone III- the stuff they were doing for Kast still sounds ahead of it's time

Timbaland- from the stuttering drum programming to throwing crickets into the beat to the laughing baby to the Middle Eastern and Indian influences. There's also what he and Danja were doing with EDM that influenced Kanye. There was something about Kanye saying how he didn't like how "Stronger" sounded next to "The Way I Are" in the club, which inspired him to have Timbo re-do the drums. He even went as far as saying without Futuresex/Lovesounds that Graduation wouldn't sound the way that it does.

The Neptunes- that whole minimalist sound and they had Yeezus sounding beats before Yeezus.

I agree with the first two but I don't think I've heard a neptunes record that sounds like anything on Yeezus.
If anything I'd say Yeezus is closer to Rob Zombie/Nine Inch Nails/Marilyn Manson
than it is Neptunes.

I'd also throw J. Dilla in there, he's probably the only Hip Hop producer as far as I know to literally change how
real drummers drum., not mention his approach to chord progressions. His innovation is pretty impressive even against giants like Quik/Dre/RZA/Timbaland/Organized Noise/Bomb Squad/The Neptunes etc.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I agree with the first two but I don't think I've heard a neptunes record that sounds like anything on Yeezus.
If anything I'd say Yeezus is closer to Rob Zombie/Nine Inch Nails/Marilyn Manson
than it is Neptunes.

I'd also throw J. Dilla in there, he's probably the only Hip Hop producer as far as I know to literally change how
real drummers drum., not mention his approach to chord progressions. His innovation is pretty impressive even against giants like Quik/Dre/RZA/Timbaland/Organized Noise/Bomb Squad/The Neptunes etc.

Dilla had the gift and the curse of dying making him more popular. It's good because it got more people to experience his work, but it's bad because the hype caused a backlash the other way where you would get cats saying he's overrated. He's not.

You're exactly right. Dilla was a monster. Pete Rock was one of if not his biggest inspiration and before he died Pete told him that Dilla had surpassed him.

I also don't hear a ton of Neptunes/Yeezus similarities, but on its face I can understand why someone would make the comparison.

As for Preem and Kanye being the 2 GOATs...I dunno. I don't have Kanye quite that high yet. Kanye is overrated as a beatmaker and underrated as a Teddy Riley type of full-on producer.

He's in the top 10 for sure, and I think you can make a strong argument for top 5. shyt, someone could probably argue top 3 and I would disagree but I would listen to the argument. I don't think it's because of anything Kanye isn't. I just think there are still a few dudes that are a little more legendary.

 

[bigrodthe1]

In Yeezus I hear glitch-hop, glam rock, punk, a bit of dancehall, trap, industrial, dark sounding ambient, deep house and, Bound 2, some of his trademark chipmunk soul.

basically you are saying he was just throwing shyt at the wall

 

[MikeyC]

basically you are saying he was just throwing shyt at the wall

Basically.

He even called it his "Anti-Music" album.

Like he wanted nikkaz to hate it.

 

[JustCKing]

In Yeezus I hear glitch-hop, glam rock, punk, a bit of dancehall, trap, industrial, dark sounding ambient, deep house and, Bound 2, some of his trademark chipmunk soul.

Not one of those sounds/genres i would associate with the Neptunes.

Listen to the N.E.R.D. albums and several of those sounds with exception of a few are present.

 

[JustCKing]

Basically.

He even called it his "Anti-Music" album.

Like he wanted nikkaz to hate it.

This is why Kanye gets a lot of the flack that he gets. Why label an album "anti-music"? That's like a chef making food that isn't edible and saying it's "anti-food" as to having a fall back when people don't like it.

 

[Nomadum]

2 words, fukk No