Is LeBron even better than Duncan?

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4-2 kobe.

Duncan would have like 2-3 extra rings if it weren’t for kobe

Foh with Kobes not better than him
Kobe won in '01 and '08 but Duncan won in '99 and '03

Kobe only 2 rings won as the man vs. Duncan's 3, 1 MVP vs. 2, Duncan's 03 run >>>> Kobe's 09, you foh and I ain't even mention him :francis:

edit: nvm forgot '04 and '02
 
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Kobe > Duncan >> Lebron

nikkas saying Kobe not better than Duncan even though he won just as many rings, beat him more times (used to give him that work) head 2 head in the offs, and been to the finals more time.

Lebron didn’t even have a winning record against the spurs in the finals so how is this even a conversation?

Lebron doesn’t have a winning record in the finals period

6 matchups in the playoffs, b b but lebron had to face a legendary spurs team in the Finals.
 
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Kobe won in '01 and '08 but Duncan won in '99 and '03

Kobe only 2 rings won as the man vs. Duncan's 3, 1 MVP vs. 2, Duncan's 03 run >>>> Kobe's 09, you foh and I ain't even mention him :francis:

edit: nvm forgot '04

Kobe 01,02,04,08

And stop with this “man” talk. Why don’t you just look at what kobe was doing vs the spurs. Kobes finals stats with Shaq was still great.

The fact of the matter is the western conference finals was always the toughest matchup, and that’s when Kobe shined most.
 

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Kobe 01,02,04,08

And stop with this “man” talk. Why don’t you just look at what kobe was doing vs the spurs. Kobes finals stats with Shaq was still great.

The fact of the matter is the western conference finals was always the toughest matchup, and that’s when Kobe shined most.
Yeah like Kobe ain't have Shaq while Duncan had flabby DRob, first three years of Tony Parker, and Rookie Stephen Jackson from 02-04, yall are shameless as hell :mjlol:
 

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No.
Lebron will rate higher than Duncan.

And Duncan is a Top 10 player ever.
 

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Duncan better than a lot of people's favorite players, man has an incredible resume

b2b MVP, 3 rings as "the man", 5-1 in the finals, that godly '03 run, great prime compared to other great PFs

but shame on you morons for mentioning "he's 2-1 vs. Bron" like '07 wasn't one of the worst finals match-ups in NBA history, ain't not one player ever beating that Spurs team in their 4th year in the league or at 22 y/o with that Cavs squad.
shyt look at some of the lineups Duncan won his titles with. One with Robinson on his last legs, a 20 year old Tony parker, raw as hell Stephen Jackson and before his prime Manu. Duncan had to put up 24,17, and 5 with 5 blocks a game to beat the Nets with the next highest scorer being Parker with 14 a game on 39% shooting. Took that team past Kobe and Shaq Lakers.

Then won with a much better Manu, slightly improved Parker, Robert Horry and Bruce Bowen and a starting center of Nazr Mohammed or Nesterovic.

Hell even that Spurs team that beat Lebron's was mainly the big three of Manu, Duncan, and Parker and not much else at all. Not like they were a completely stacked team. Just speaks to the greatness of Duncan and the Spurs system to win so much without ever being super loaded talent wise.
 

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No for quite a few reasons...

Never carried an aging star and a bunch of nobodies to titles like Timmy did...

Not going to win titles in 3 different decades like Timmy did...

Won't spend his entire career playing for one franchise like Timmy did...

Hasn't changed his role like Timmy did (from doing everything for the team in his prime to being primarily a defender and rebounder late in his career)...Lebron still has the juice to be the best player wherever he goes and it will depend on his ego when he does slow down does he allow himself to become more of a specialist...

As great as Ice man and David were...Spurs never won shyt until Timmy got there...dude is the bedrock for a franchise with the most sustained excellence in north america sports...Bron could never do that since he has moved from team to team and every team he leaves is trash for at least a year because the entire team is built to play "bron ball"...

If you have Tim Duncan you know you can have a team with an aging star and a bunch of role players and you can win a chip...then when they are gone and your brand new young point guard and euro shooting guard have to learn how to play in the nba you know Timmy is so good you can win two more chips...then as they do get good enough to carry the offense you know Timmy will age gracefully and you can win ANOTHER chip...and then when you draft a guy at 15 and think he could one day be your franchise player...you know Duncan can hang on long enough that you team is still championship caliber and you can win ANOTHER CHIP....

You won't ever see that in the nba again...where you can build 3 different teams around 1 guy for 3 decades and walk out with 5 titles AND have realistic chances at a championship virtually every year...
 

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shyt look at some of the lineups Duncan won his titles with. One with Robinson on his last legs, a 20 year old Tony parker, raw as hell Stephen Jackson and before his prime Manu. Duncan had to put up 24,17, and 5 with 5 blocks a game to beat the Nets with the next highest scorer being Parker with 14 a game on 39% shooting. Took that team past Kobe and Shaq Lakers.

Then won with a much better Manu, slightly improved Parker, Robert Horry and Bruce Bowen and a starting center of Nazr Mohammed or Nesterovic.

Hell even that Spurs team that beat Lebron's was mainly the big three of Manu, Duncan, and Parker and not much else at all. Not like they were a completely stacked team. Just speaks to the greatness of Duncan and the Spurs system to win so much without ever being super loaded talent wise.
I agree with all of that but still not as bad as that '07 Cavs team, Old Big Z averaging 12/10 in the offs was his second best player
 

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shyt look at some of the lineups Duncan won his titles with. One with Robinson on his last legs, a 20 year old Tony parker, raw as hell Stephen Jackson and before his prime Manu. Duncan had to put up 24,17, and 5 with 5 blocks a game to beat the Nets with the next highest scorer being Parker with 14 a game on 39% shooting. Took that team past Kobe and Shaq Lakers.

Then won with a much better Manu, slightly improved Parker, Robert Horry and Bruce Bowen and a starting center of Nazr Mohammed or Nesterovic.

Hell even that Spurs team that beat Lebron's was mainly the big three of Manu, Duncan, and Parker and not much else at all. Not like they were a completely stacked team. Just speaks to the greatness of Duncan and the Spurs system to win so much without ever being super loaded talent wise.
Nobody is knocking Duncan. He carried a couple squads too. They really didn’t add depth until his peak years were over and pop started managing his minutes. He was fortunate in the sense that the east was so bad from 1999-2004. The spurs had the good fortune of facing the Knicks and nets in the 1999 and 2003 finals. By the 2004-05 team, they had some firepower around Timmy though. Parker and Manu were combining to average 32 points and 10 assists while the spurs fielded the best defense in basketball so by the time they saw a real time in the finals in Detroit, Duncan had some help. The suns should’ve beaten them in 2005. Joe Johnson getting hurt :martin:
 
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