Is Mariota even better than Mettenberger?

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"I personally like Mettengberger I think he has a more legit shot of being "elite" one day. He has a cannon for an arm and fits the pocket pass persona.

Im not sold on Mariota :yeshrug: None of the qbs from those systems have done anything. Not one
 

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No...you've datamined an opinion of someone you;ve NEVER WATCHED.

It's as if you don't even trust YOUR OWN eyes

The stats do that exact type of charting for me. He was so below average it's hard to make an argument otherwise.
 

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To be honest I don't think Whisenhunt made this pick. I think this was an ownership pick.

Whisenhunt's system requires a strong armed QB making plays in the pocket.
Bruh I aint gonna lie at first I didn't see it with Mettenberger,now when you think about it this does seem like an ownership pick. Mettenberger might be trade bait after next season.Mariota wont sit the bench,ownership will make sure.
 

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The stats do that exact type of charting for me. He was so below average it's hard to make an argument otherwise.
Mazn please.
You were the same one shytting on PFF for their sometimey stats which I agree with you because we all bring our own eye to how we judge things.

Just stop playing pretend sports talk "datamining" your way into sports conversations and trust your own eyes rather than being lazy and depending on stat herders who don't watch football the same way you do.

It's phony.
 

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Mazn please.
You were the same one shytting on PFF for their sometimey stats which I agree with you because we all bring our own eye to how we judge things.

Just stop playing pretend sports talk "datamining" your way into sports conversations and trust your own eyes rather than being lazy and depending on stat herders who don't watch football the same way you do.

It's phony.

PFF stats are way more subjective than DVOA is though.
 

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Step 1: Value. Not all yards are created equal, due to differing implications for the probability of picking up a first down. A four-yard gain is much more valuable on 3rd and 4 than it is on 3rd and 15. So DVOA begins by assigning a success value to each play based on the down/distance context in which it occurred.

Step 2: Over Average. As other elements of game context change, so does the importance of achieving plays that are nominally successful by the standard established in Step 1. When trailing by 17 points with 5 minutes left, picking up a first down is of little consequence. DVOA compares the success value of plays to the average value to be expected, based a database of plays in comparable game situations, in order to account for this.

These first two steps generate VOA, which can be a useful stat in its own right.

Step 3: Defense-adjusted. This is actually something of a misnomer: "opponent-adjusted" would be more accurate. Given the small number of games in an NFL season and the division-heavy schedule, some teams will find it much easier than others to achieve (context-adjusted) per-play success. So the final step is to adjust VOA in comparison with the baseline implied by the opponents faced.
 

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Mariota is a little better than Darron Thomas...Y'all oc. The only problem with darron thomas is that he prob had way to many tats for the league to be a face of a franchise.

That chip kelly system is all smoke and mirrors. Had mark sanchez looking like a future HOF. FOH!!!
 

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Mettenberger was a 6th round pick and did not play well last season. Not like the Titans are wrong for investing a higher draft pick at a position they've had no stable sucess in since McNair which was a decade ago. Its one thing if you have someone you can trust as a future franchise QB but Mettenberger is far from that. For the Titans to think he's that is delusional.

And Mariota is an accurate quarterback who DOES go through his progressions in the pocket. He's not Colin Kaepernick like people seem to think he is. He will be a successful passer in this league. To me Alex Smith is his floor who also came from a spread system in college.
 

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Mariota is a little better than Darron Thomas...Y'all oc. The only problem with darron thomas is that he prob had way to many tats for the league to be a face of a franchise.

That chip kelly system is all smoke and mirrors. Had mark sanchez looking like a future HOF. FOH!!!

No it didn't, he played ok, like he has at times in his career, but eventually regressed. You woulda had a better argument if you used Foles, he had a historic season,but even he dropped off gigantically the next year.

If someone is consistently great in the System like Mariotta was during his time at Oregon, it's probably because they're good. Matt Barkley looked the worst qb i've ever seen whenever hes gotten PT.
 
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