Whips-n-Chains
Chi
No, the answer is alchemist. Idgaf about "hits," alc has been making dope beats for damn near 30 years, his style has evolved while still maintaining it's core sound.
Is Pharrell number one for longevity as a top producer in the game?
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Plankton
Superstar
Dude, I know why you made this thread. The new Clipse album is dope and yes it does put Pharrell in a space where he is once again being renown as one of the greatest producers in Hip Hop history. And he rightfully deserves it. I hear what you are saying. But when you ask about being a "top producer with longevity" I can't help but to acknowledge that Rick is still getting those phone calls in the 2020's and still winning grammy's regardless of what specific genre. And being that Pharrell can go outside of genres and still be acknowledged in Hip Hop then Rick can too. OK I get what u are saying by the Hip Hop stuff being ass. I'll leave it alone but I will say this. If you would have asked about "beat makers with longevity" I would have with out a doubt brought up Preemo. Preemo had one of the best songs on that Compton album along with DJ Dahi on "Talk About It" and whoever did the track that had The Game. Dre had a bunch of co producers and still couldn't match Preemo in overall dopeness. ( tho I can hear an argument for Marsha Ambrosius' Casablanco album that too had a bunch of co producers and overall gets canceled out by that flop Missionary album with Snoop)
But when he linked up with Common for this track in 2023. His longevity standing was officially grounded
And then for him to do a sentimental sound such as this...Preemo is my final answer for "top beat maker with longevity"
beenz
Rap Guerilla
I personally think pharrell's production as a solo artist is kinda hit or miss. when he was producing with chad, most of the beats were 
Whats he even doing on these records? Aot of these placements have like 5 other “co-produced” credits on them
That's not happening as constant with a pharrell or alchemist.… I personally don't think rick is doing shyt besides advising
Plankton
Superstar
You can say the same thing about Dr Dre with that Marsha Ambrosius Casablanco album and Snoop Dogg's Missionary album in terms of having a bunch of co producers on songs yet no one takes that producer credit away from Dre being the overall "producer" of said projects like you are doing with Rick.
That's why I brought up Diddy because even as an "advisor" he's still falls in the category of "producer." That's why I keep saying that OP specified "producer" not "beat maker."
Has nothing to do with hits. Thread says "Top producer". Alchemist, while great, was never a Top producer. The Neptunes/Pharrell moved culture. ALC doesn't have a Clipse. Whose career did he re-define the way The Neptunes redefined Snoop's? When we talk about culture, where's ALC's "Grindin", a beat that is still revered to this day? "Superthug"?
ShaDynasty
Chaos - The Album
Pharrell / Neptunes definitely fell off after HHNF.
This new Clipse is kinda bringing him back, but he was cold for a long time. They have some really trash beats out there. Hes one of those cool industry people that people love to put on their albums but its a lot of mid and trash. Its always subjective, but they had universal classics in the early 00s, and they do not after that era. He didn't maintain the quality.
This new Clipse is kinda bringing him back, but he was cold for a long time. They have some really trash beats out there. Hes one of those cool industry people that people love to put on their albums but its a lot of mid and trash. Its always subjective, but they had universal classics in the early 00s, and they do not after that era. He didn't maintain the quality.
ShaDynasty
Chaos - The Album
I mean I'm not even an Alc defender like that, but there are some obvious answers to this.
Please stop e thugging and talk cordial like grown up because I know for a fact you would never tell me to eat a dikk or call me a "moron" if I were in front of you. You don't see me talking to you with disrespect so you should be doing likewise.
And I don't take you serious in this convo because you trying to bring race into it calling Rick a "culture vulture" and that doesn't correlate with the actual history. Rick created Def Jam and had T La Rock on the radio before Russell was ever involved. It was Russel who sought out Rick and pushed the idea of taking Def Jam further. Obviously Russell didn't see Rick like how you are portraying him. And then in 88 Rick humbly bowed out and let Russell take the full lead. That's not the actions of a culture vulture.
And you are tellingI didnt bring up Rock producer(s) with an S. I only brought up 1 rock producer and aligned him with the similar task of what Puffy does defining him as a "producer." When OP dismissed Puffy I brought up Dr Dre. Everything I said about Dre also applies to Rick, where as Rick once did all the beats in the beginning to were he eventually had other producers in the mix just like Dre yet no one ever takes the "producer" title away from Dre like you are attempting to do now with Rick. That's why you bringing race into something that Dre has been accused of doing as well forces me to see you as just being racially biased because no one does that to Dr Dre.
I said it before and I'll say it again. OP said "producer" in the thread title. He didn't say "beat maker." Rick is a "producer" by definition. "Beat maker" and "producer" are two different things.
He's not a rap producer and never has been.
If you want to suck off a white man this bad go to a glory hole not the coli. There's nothing to be cordial about. That whole rap producer isn't beat maker narrative is pulled from other genres. As I explained to you in Rap music the producer is the music. There's no band to produce so the beat maker is the producer. All that beat maker is not a producer shyt is bullshyt. In all electric genres of music the best maker is the primary producer.
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You don't have to say you think He isn't . He can't he don't know how to do jack shyt. Christopher Columbus of rap.
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bigdaddy88
The King Of Power
rick rubin is a so called proper producer....in rap the one who makes the beat is the producer, but generally it can be the one who composed it give it the so called vibe of the album aka executive producer in hip hop terms... like rick probably didnt press one note in alot of songs but gets production credits for directing the track , etc
1.4 billion views on Youtube and this song is legendary. You're the first person I ever heard say this is trash.
Always crazy to me when I see videos of songs with over a billion views that I had no idea even existed.
Plankton
Superstar
Again, I don't take you serious on this topic. Once you revised Ricks history as if it wasn't Russell who went to Rick when Def Jam was already created by Rick, It told me you weren't familiar with the history at all. I can't take someone who doesn't know the history serious.
"But but but but he's not a rap producer and never has been." LOL. This right here confirms you don't know what you are talking about and you just saying anything.
You are the first person I ever heard say Rick Rubin isn't a rap producer which makes you a troll. And lets be real here. You are a Canadian non FBA who thinks you can school an FBA from The Bronx about Hip Hop.
Dude, you are a non FBA from Canada. No more needs to be said. You didn't experience early/mid 80's Hip Hop in The Bronx live and direct like I did. Go some where you foreigner.And you continuing to e thug after I asked you nicely not to do so yet you continue over a disagreement about Hip Hop music tells me you are too immature to continue with a discourse, so this will be my last reply to you. But you can have the final word you non FBA foreign troll.
Plankton
Superstar
That's a very well known rock song. Saying you don't know that song says you was not watching MTV around the time of 9/11.