Is Quantum Physics bullshat?

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I was :tellmemore: reading about space and time and Dimensions yadda yadda yadda and decided to take a deeper look into physics. I'm somewhere between a smart dumb nicca and actually smart :youngsabo: Quantum physics makes no sense to me. I sometimes already feel like A lot of Scientist are Elitist and will manipulate results to get the answers of their liking. In some instances I feel like Quantum Physics is a result of a fantasy that cannot be properly explain(at least to make sense to people outside their little circle). I'm fascinated by the thought of it :krs: and would love more for it to be true, but it seems to be based on probability and not facts. Same way a lot of Science nuts feel about religion, I sometimes feel about science. I ran across this guy's interpretation of Quantum physics

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I used to think quantum theory was bullshyt. I thought it was bullshyt because somebody (several somebodies) explained it to me wrong. The theory they explained made no sense at all, and they didn’t say why legitimate scientists would believe something so crazy.
So I did some reading and I finally discovered the truth: quantum theory makes no sense because it’s an attempt to explain the impossible results of a popular experiment. These results defy all logic, but the experiment has been repeated over and over again, with the same results.
Before I describe the experiment I’ll tell you about crazy quantum theory. Then you’ll understand why I thought it was bullshyt.
We tend to think of a particle (an object) as occupying one place at one time. Quantum theory defies that, suggesting that one particle occupies a bunch of different places at the same time (as several points along a wave). But when we “observe” it, most of those “points” collapse, and we’re left with one particle in one place. Which of the many places will it finally settle on? According to the descriptions I was given, there is inherent “probability” in the universe, and this probability decides which spot it will rest on.
I had two problems with this. First of all, “observing” things doesn’t change them. Interacting with them changes them. My explainers suggested that we alter the universe by becoming mentally aware of the waves. This is magic and mysticism, not science. Secondly, the idea of probability always comes from a lack of information. You hold a rock in your left fist and hold out both your arms. For me there’s a fifty-fifty chance that the rock could be in either fist. But for you there’s a one-hundred percent chance that the rock is in the left fist. There is no objective probability, just a lack of information on my part. That’s why we created the idea of probability. But my quantum theory explainers suggested that there is inherent, objective probability in the universe. They said that a particle has a certain chance of being in each of a bunch of different places, and that it is simultaneously in ALL of those places at the same time… until you “observe” it! And then it picks one of those places, but the only thing that CAUSES it to choose a specific place is the abstract idea of probability, which is a mental phenomenon that humans made up in the first place! Bullshyt!
A famous example they came up with is this: there’s a radioactive particle and it has a fifty-fifty chance of emitting deadly radiation. They put the particle in a box with a cat. So the cat has a fifty-fifty chance of dying. According to this aspect of quantum theory, the cat is simultaneously both dead and alive… until you open the box and “observe” it, collapsing one reality and actively affirming (creating) (solidifying) the other one.
I can justify calling this bullshyt because it can’t be tested… as soon as we observe anything, the other quantum possibilities are all gone! How convenient… it’s like Freud saying, “If you DENY that you want to sleep with your mom then that just proves that you’re in denial for wanting to sleep with your mom!” So we can say, “I see that the cat is alive and NOT dead, but that’s because we successfully collapsed the dead-cat reality! Quantum theory works!”
I knew quantum theory couldn’t be as dumb as it sounded, because it’s a huge area of research and it’s accepted by lots of scientists. I wanted to know what it was really about, so I did some reading and found that it all comes from one experiment.
I’ll oversimplify it to a disgusting extent, leaving out some juicy goodness.
Basically some scientists shot a single electron at a screen with two holes in it (like throwing a baseball at a wall with two windows in it). But instead of one electron (particle) coming out the other side, waves came out of each of the two holes (like an ocean wave crashing through two holes in a barrier). This is strange because a particle and a wave are supposed to be two different things. There’s no such thing as a sound particle: sound waves are just vibrations in the air. And they knew that electrons were particles and not waves, because matter (like you and me!) are made out of electrons, among other things. So how can a single particle (an electron) be a wave that goes through two holes at the same time?
Now it gets weirder. When the scientists did the experiment again they set up a particle-detector to detect which hole the electron went through. With the detector they could see that the electron really only went through one hole, and no wave came out the other side! But when they took the particle detector away then waves would start coming out again, but they couldn’t tell which hole (or holes) the electron went through. So it seems like the particle detector caused the electron-wave to stop acting like a wave (one particle in many places) and start acting like a normal particle. They call this “collapsing the wave” into a particle.
Like I said, some people seem to think that by observing (consciously acknowledging) the wave we magically collapse the wave into a particle. That’s the explanation I first heard and it sounds like misplaced mysticism. The other explanation is that the particle-detector interacts with the electron-wave, and it’s that interaction that collapses the wave into a single particle.
Either way, the strange fact remains that a single electron begins its life by occupying a bunch of different points along a wave simultaneously… until it interacts with its environment and “collapses” into a single particle. Since we’re all made (partly) from electrons, then we’re all made of cool waves that have been beaten into boring particles. Every subatomic particle in your girlfriend’s body had lots of freedom and quantum possibilities in its youth, but the collapsed world of classical physics beat all the potential out of them, and they resigned themselves to follow Einstein & Newton’s worldview, living as particles in your girlfriend’s body, just another dying piece of meat like the rest of us (LoL).
So where does the “probability” come in? Well, when the wave collapses, the normal electron appears at one point along the wave. Basically, all the other points along the wave die off and only one survives, and that’s where the normal electron lives forever after. But scientists haven’t discovered what makes one point “survive” when the others die off. What they have noted is that some places along a wave have a higher chance of surviving the collapse than others, even though they don’t know what causes that probability. So with their lack of information they seem to just assume that there is NOTHING that causes this probability, and they say that “chance and probability” are inherent in these particles. To me it seems like they just have to study more. There are other scientists who also disregard this “probability in nature” idea, and they’re looking for the true empirical cause for why one point on the wave survives instead of the others.
Bah… my head hurts.
So! To sum it up, quantum physics is definitely crazy nonsense. The reason I thought it was bullshyt was because the people who explained it to me didn’t understand the empirical (scientific) elements of it, and they misinterpreted the nonsense basically as consciousness-magic. The results of the double-slit experiments (two holes in the screen) are crazy nonsense. The experiment has been repeated over and over again, and scientists are still trying to figure out why one particle can be a wave and go through two holes. It is a beautiful demonstration that this world is not what it appears to be, and our logic and common sense are just tools that we use to fumble around clumsily in the world of big objects. They’re functional, and a result of the big world of classical physics. They don’t seem to grasp the underlying weirdness of reality. That weirdness is what scientists are starting to dig into.
Weird though it might be, quantum mechanics works in practical ways. IBM is experimenting with quantum computers. With our digital computers, everything is 1′s and 0′s (“on” and “off”), but with quantum computers, each quantum byte can simultaneously be both. I don’t totally understand it, but apparently it makes computing almost incomprehensibly fast. To use an analogy, they could conceivably make computers that could deal with more information than there are atoms in the universe. They’ve been successfully using the components, but they’re far from putting it together into something useful yet. We’re just starting to toy with these computers which defy classical physics, so it’s completely sensible to consider the idea that we’re inside a much better computer, which itself might be inside a better computer, and so on, and so on…
The truth is nonsense. The world is crazy nonsense.
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Could someone break it down to me in Human terms?:mjpls:
 

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didnt read all that. but he got the theory on quantum physics wrong.

its something along the lines of

when you dont observe atoms, they exist as waves
when you DO observe atoms, they become particles

also the universe is a field of consciousness and stuff.

the author just seems to be like :mindblown: i dont understand, therefore it cannot be.

I'd get into it but I refuse to read that brick.
 

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didnt read all that. but he got the theory on quantum physics wrong.

its something along the lines of

when you dont observe atoms, they exist as waves
when you DO observe atoms, they become particles

also the universe is a field of consciousness and stuff.

the author just seems to be like :mindblown: i dont understand, therefore it cannot be.

I'd get into it but I refuse to read that brick.

Iiiiii like it :lupe:
 

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Iiiiii like it :lupe:

basically, the universe is atoms and vibration. Consciousness affects all these things. like writing "Love" on the side of a glass of water affects how the crystals form.

Apparently you can control the world to some extent, like the thought waves you send out, will bring you closer to things of the same thought forms.

Synchronization. The more aware or in tune you are with the world, the more things just happen "coincidentally". 11:11, stuff like that.

The more your into it, the more you will find.

Don't be afraid to click things on YT on 5th Dimension, Consciousness Shift, Ascension, 2012, Sacred Geometery, Chakras etc. All that stuff.. it all relates. I think it's the bridge between science and spirituality. Keep an open mind. It gets deep mane.

Start Here



 
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basically, the universe is atoms and vibration. Consciousness affects all these things. like writing "Love" on the side of a glass of water affects how the crystals form.

Apparently you can control the world to some extent, like the thought waves you send out, will bring you closer to things of the same thought forms.

Synchronization. The more aware or in tune you are with the world, the more things just happen "coincidentally". 11:11, stuff like that.

The more your into it, the more you will find.

Don't be afraid to click things on YT on 5th Dimension, Consciousness Shift, Ascension, 2012, Sacred Geometery, Chakras etc. All that stuff.. it all relates. I think it's the bridge between science and spirituality. Keep an open mind. It gets deep mane.

Start Here
Sacred Geometry Explained Part 1 of 2 - YouTube


Vibrational Reality : Energy field patterns, Properties of Water, & Sacred Geometry - YouTube

That was actually debunked :wow:
 

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That was actually debunked :wow:

link?

you might find this also interesting

Russian DNA Discoveries Proof of 12-Strand DNA Activation Theory? | Whales In Space

Basically, the overall theory I get from all this sacred geometery, consciousness, etc is that humans are evolving, and unlocking things like synchronicity and telepathy, astral projection able to perceive other dimensions, healing through vibrations, etc. Our DNA holds is supposed information that entwines with the universe (look up DNA and the IChing, Terence McKenna).

It kinda implies being able to manipulate light and vibration of our wave/particle universe through knowledge of our DNA, Chakra systems etc.

Apparently 2012 was a restart of a cycle and that's why this knowledge is becoming more and more prevalent in recent years. If it gets me super powers, I'm interested


could all be wrong but still so interesting :dwillhuh:
 

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If science can't fully explain it... it won't receive funds and it will be thrown to the outer edge of things classified as pseudo science aka the bushes. There are philosophical implications that are sometimes added to these theories; so it's difficult for them to gain real traction.
 

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No. Theres a lot of shyt people don't understand AND mix in dudes like Michio Kaku who live on basically asserting the most fringe theories, ignoramuses will just assume its bullshyt since they don't understand any of it.
 

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I was :tellmemore: reading about space and time and Dimensions yadda yadda yadda and decided to take a deeper look into physics. I'm somewhere between a smart dumb nicca and actually smart :youngsabo: Quantum physics makes no sense to me. I sometimes already feel like A lot of Scientist are Elitist and will manipulate results to get the answers of their liking. In some instances I feel like Quantum Physics is a result of a fantasy that cannot be properly explain(at least to make sense to people outside their little circle). I'm fascinated by the thought of it :krs: and would love more for it to be true, but it seems to be based on probability and not facts. Same way a lot of Science nuts feel about religion, I sometimes feel about science. I ran across this guy's interpretation of Quantum physics


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Could someone break it down to me in Human terms?:mjpls:

I just read the entire post. This could be the beginning of a cool thread. In short, in layman's terms, the guy is missing the whole point, the reason why quantum physics exist is because those things are not fixable, you can't 100% confirm which way an electron will spin, or how photons will diffract once hitting an object, you can only give a prediction based on observation/probability. But without quantum physics your standard CRT computer monitor/TV wouldn't work, it works because we can based on quantum physics reasonably predict at which point the photons will hit the lead screens.

Now to explain the main issue what he was saying in as basic a way as possible, is that the main point of quantum physics is that the probability is based on observation. Why is it like that? Because we are OBSERVING the electrons in action. The student in your post statest that just because you didn't observe something, doesn't mean that's the way it is. What quantum physics is trying to say is, if you can't observe something, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOU! Yes, it's a HUGE simplification no doubt, but that's the only way at this point in our abilities to control objects at the nano level, we stick to what we can observe. So in essence, quantum physics is based on the probability of you OBSERVING something, thus "probability densities". Once you get to a high enough probability density, then you can reasonably predict what happens. Think of it like bees flocking to flowers, and the quantum physician being the beekeeper trying to catch bees to make honey. If the beekeeper tried to predict the pattern of all the bees, he'd go crazy. So what he does is find the highest probability density, meaning find the most common predictable action, and bases his bee catching on that. Since he knows at least 70% of the bees will flock to flowers, he puts the flowers in the middle of the field and waits for them to come through. Of course, there's always that one bee that's going to check out the horsesh*t nearby, but in the grand scale of thing that's negligent. Quantum physics in essence is a "in the grand scale of things" science at the nano level. It's what calculus is to mathematics, a simplification of things it would take forever to truly quantity. Quantum physics simplifies observation/interaction with light photos/elections at the nano level. Hopefully that helped you :myman:
 
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