Is rap/hip hop the only genre where the artist have a shelf life?
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AlainLocke
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Hip Hop is youth culture
It's for the most part microwave culture
Other genres of music isn't based on youthfulness and authenticity.
So other artists have a longer shelf life...
But I like that about Hip Hop...it's always current.
It's for the most part microwave culture
Other genres of music isn't based on youthfulness and authenticity.
So other artists have a longer shelf life...
But I like that about Hip Hop...it's always current.
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Tribal Outkast
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Yeah I felt some kind of way about a 71 year old Cher being able to perform and people talking about how she killed it, while hiphop ain't trying to see a 50 year old Chuck D or most 40 plus year old rappers on any show platforms.. it's pretty sad actually
It's like that by design...fully mentally developed human beings don't think like they do when they were in their teens. You let the perception of "youth culture" as in the demographic that is going to spend the money disappear then you have some of these guys getting older, talking about different things and in general looking even more ridiculous promoting some of the shyt they were being paid to promote.
Letting rappers like linger around til they're 45-50 and still having clout is not a smart move for people who run rap music.
Rap music is not Hip Hop.
Letting rappers like linger around til they're 45-50 and still having clout is not a smart move for people who run rap music.
Rap music is not Hip Hop.
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AlainLocke
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This doesn't make any sense.
Hip Hop is a genre of music and also a culture. Rapping is just the vocal medium of Hip Hop music.
There is no such thing as Rap music...rap music is just another way of saying Hip Hop.
You can't be a rapper and not be Hip Hop.
- Rap music is not Hip Hop...Hip Hop is a culture, a container for the various arts/elements associated with it, not a genre of music.
- Rap is one of the arts/elements contained within Hip Hop culture. Rap Music is the genre, a genre that is largely controlled by people who don't understand or respect Hip Hop.
- You can most certainly rap or be a 'rapper' and not necessarily be Hip Hop...the art form of rapping pre-dates Hip Hop culture by quite a bit. A lot of country music being made now a days has rap in it, doesn't make it Hip Hop.
And most importantly, if Hip Hop is just a genre then the only way to be Hip Hop is to supply the 'genre' with product to sell, or buy said product. In Hip Hop culture...there are Hip Hoppas thriving away from the music industry. There are Hip Hoppas thriving without music at all, rappers included. So I think the distinction is important to make, especially considering who gets to determine what images are to be put on display to represent the so called "Hip Hop" genre...
CapitalforCapital
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Ask these pop stars how long their careers go. The purpose of the music industry isn't making money btw.
AlainLocke
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Hip Hop is a genre and a culture...
Rap music is just another way of saying Hip Hop...
And there were no rappers before Hip Hop, there were nobody releasing full on albums full of rapping before Hip Hop.
And country singers rapping doesn't make them rappers.
Just like the Weeknd or R.Kelly half-singing/half-rapping doesn't make them a rapper.
Just like Kendrick Lamar/J.Cole singing doesn't make them singers.
People that act like Hip Hop isn't a genre of music...are those weird rap purists types.
Hip Hop is a definitely a genre of music.
You can make an instrumental Hip Hop album...you can't make an instrumental Rap album....
There is a method of creating Hip Hop music (sampling, turntables, drum machines)
There is a musical aesthetic that makes Hip Hop, Hip Hop....just like there is a musical aesthetic that makes Country, Country...
Rapping is just a vocal style and there are no Rappers that aren't Hip Hop.
You couldn't find a non-Hip Hop rapper...and you can do raps and shyt without being a rapper...
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No, they're not.
Pop artists, emo artists, punk artists, etc. all have shelf lives depending on their style.
If you're making drug-dealing music at 40+, you are too old to be rapping about that nonsense.
If you're making timeless music, you're fine, no one says Nas and MF Doom are too old for rap.
No, they're not.
Pop artists, emo artists, punk artists, etc. all have shelf lives depending on their style.
If you're making drug-dealing music at 40+, you are too old to be rapping about that nonsense.
If you're making timeless music, you're fine, no one says Nas and MF Doom are too old for rap.
Then what is the purpose?
CapitalforCapital
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It's all just one big advertising wing to promote different ideas, products, etc which in turn make money for other avenues in which the record company owns. sure they're are products which are tremendously successful but they only recoup for the ones that failed. Honestly a horrible industry to get into.
The book HitMen does a great job in telling how hard it is to turn a profit in the industry. Which is why when chief keef had a hit single without a label every nikka in Chicago was being signed.
No it's not and conflating the two is dangerous and now has people repeating stuff like what you just said. This lets the 'genre' control the narrative when the 'genre' is pretty much out of the hands of the actual culture. It's why you have some people who think that all of that "other shyt" is for the whites and Asians and rap is the only thing black folks supposed care about...leave all of the creative, participatory shyt for the 'others', rap music is 'ours' because they primarily use us to sell it, with negative images more often than not.
Rap music is not just another way of say Hip Hop either because as I told you, there are Hip Hoppas thriving away from the music industry and away music all together.
See...you equate Hip Hop with releasing albums. There is an entire generation of MC's in Hip Hop that never recorded or released anything...and there was certainly rapping being done before the culture itself. I think you mean rapper as in a profession, as in an employee of the Rap Music industry...seems to me that you're viewing Hip Hop CULTURE strictly within the paramters of the music industry where you won't really find the much of the actual culture.
if you can rap and you make music utilizing rap, you're a rapper.
Rap is something that you do, Hip Hop is something that you are. He can clearly rap, he clearly utilizes his rap to make music, I don't know if I would call him Hip Hop.
That just sounds like a way to dismiss someone that you disagree with. It's like the media labeling people conspiracy theorists for questioning what they present as news. I don't consider myself a purist, Hip Hop, as in the culture is actually far less restrictive as to what is or isn't contained within it than Rap Music as a genre is.
( no samples, turntables or drum machines)
If you are Hip Hop whatever art you decide to make will be Hip Hop.
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so you think iggy is hip hop just because she raps?
how can admit that hip hop is a culture and then claim just being one element of it makes one hip hop?
personally i view a rapper as hip hop if they are actually involved in said culture and have been apart of putting on shows, performed locally, doing it more so from a DIY aspect to get where they are. someone who is actually involved in the culture of hip hop surrounding them locally.
someone like IGGY isn't hip hop just because she does one thing like rapping which progressed into being accepted as a part of hip hop. hip hop existed before rap
Right....listening to rap, or even rapping in and of itself is not enough to be Hip Hop.