Is Secularism Necessary for Pan-Africanism?

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I only ask because of what we already see in African states.

Due to European colonialism, African countries were ready-made cosmopolitan states made up of dozens if not hundreds of varying ethnic groups and religious traditions. This has undoubtedly caused tension in many countries on the African continent. For example, tensions between Christianity and Islam have contributed to conflicts in Nigeria and Sudan (prior to its partition in 2011).

Given religion's role in stirring conflict or the break-up of African states, do pan-Africanists need to uphold state secularism for the greater unity of Africa?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I would say most likely. But if Pan-Africanism does occur I only see it in a more business way.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I would say most likely. But if Pan-Africanism does occur I only see it in a more business way.

What do you mean by a "more business way"?

 

[Misreeya]

I only ask because of what we already see in African states.

Due to European colonialism, African countries were ready-made cosmopolitan states made up of dozens if not hundreds of varying ethnic groups and religious traditions. This has undoubtedly caused tension in many countries on the African continent. For example, tensions between Christianity and Islam have contributed to conflicts in Nigeria and Sudan (prior to its partition in 2011).

Given religion's role in stirring conflict or the break-up of African states, do pan-Africanists need to uphold state secularism for the greater unity of Africa?

[QUOTE="]MansaMusa, post: 20753597, member: 15For example, tensions between Christianity and Islam have contributed to conflicts in Nigeria and Sudan (prior to its partition in 2011)[/QUOTE]

Actually religion is a small part of the greater whole in my parents country. If that was the case then there would not had been any problems in "Darfur" since the people in that area is majority "Muslim". What I am saying there are other factors to consider besides religion if you talking about Sudan.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

[QUOTE="]MansaMusa, post: 20753597, member: 15For example, tensions between Christianity and Islam have contributed to conflicts in Nigeria and Sudan (prior to its partition in 2011)

Actually religion is a small part of the greater whole in my parents country. If that was the case then there would not had been any problems in "Darfur" since the people in that area is majority "Muslim". What I am saying there are other factors to consider besides religion if you talking about Sudan.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you can down play the Islamization agenda of past and present Sudanese regimes. That was Definitely a factor in causing the civil wars between North and South

 

[Misreeya]

Actually religion is a small part of the greater whole in my parents country. If that was the case then there would not had been any problems in "Darfur" since the people in that area is majority "Muslim". What I am saying there are other factors to consider besides religion if you talking about Sudan.

I don't think you can down play the Islamization agenda of past and present Sudanese regimes. That was Definitely a factor in causing the civil wars between North and South[/QUOTE]

You have to remember this there was two civil wars that happened in Sudan after independence. The first civil had nothing to do with religion, but it was more or less southerners were complaining about their lack of representation in the discussion making. You are correct the second civil war was about the islamization agenda, but it was not only the war against the South it was also a war against other strong political forces such as Communist party and Socialist during those times, this started during Gaafar Nimeiry was in office, and later was fostered by Omar Bashir and the late Hassan Al Turabi.

Sudanese Communist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I don't think you can down play the Islamization agenda of past and present Sudanese regimes. That was Definitely a factor in causing the civil wars between North and South

You have to remember this there was two civil wars that happened in Sudan after independence. The first civil had nothing to do with religion, but it was more or less southerners were complaining about their lack of representation in the discussion making. You are correct the second civil war was about the islamization agenda, but it was not only the war against the South it was also a war against other strong political forces such as Communist party and Socialist during those times, this started during Gaafar Nimeiry was in office, and later was fostered by Omar Bashir and the late Hassan Al Turabi.

Sudanese Communist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/QUOTE]

You're right. However, the fact that state-enforced religion played a role in the partition of Sudan is important to this topic.

 

[Misreeya]

You have to remember this there was two civil wars that happened in Sudan after independence. The first civil had nothing to do with religion, but it was more or less southerners were complaining about their lack of representation in the discussion making. You are correct the second civil war was about the islamization agenda, but it was not only the war against the South it was also a war against other strong political forces such as Communist party and Socialist during those times, this started during Gaafar Nimeiry was in office, and later was fostered by Omar Bashir and the late Hassan Al Turabi.

Sudanese Communist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're right. However, the fact that state-enforced religion played a role in the partition of Sudan is important to this topic.[/QUOTE]

It was not only a war with southerners but a war against other political forces within Sudan especially against the Communist, which many people were killed. Religion was a smoke screen to rid the country from atheist communist and not all communist were atheist, which is one of the causes of the second civil war besides religion. Religion was used as a tool to purge other political elements in Sudan



They are singing about the late Joseph Garang who is South Sudan, but no relations to the late John Garang i believe.

Personally, i think South Sudan should had been part of Uganda or Kenya, because it would had been more of a perfect match and it makes more common sense. What is funny that is what the British colonial administration wanted initially.

In 1947, British hopes to join the southern part of Sudan with Uganda were dashed by the Juba Conference, to unify northern and southern Sudan.

Republic of Sudan[edit]

History of South Sudan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Juba Conference (1947) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today, i feel that South Sudanese should had waited at least 15 to 20 years for their independence. Which would allowed them to develop their infrastructure and their economy, and at least have a foundation of self governance before transitioning to independence. Both countries would had benefited from that arrangement.