Is the Native American Struggle = or > than the African American Struggle?

[Real Talk of NY]

You see them all the time probably. Natives don't wear head dresses and throw spears so ppl just assume there are none since they don't see this on the reg

not in the north east duke. They are pretty much extinct.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Your statement is totally correct.

Seems like alot of y'all are thinking I'm trying to defend whites or their history with native Americans. That couldn't be further than the truth. I saw plenty of people in this thread spewing misinformation and i thought I would add some actual real "history" to the debate instead of emotion. I'm not saying whites didn't systematically decimate the natives, I'm saying there is a complicated history to it, and it's not as simple as them showing up and killing native Americans. The natives where respected, at least at first. African slaves on the other hand where never respected as humans.

In my opinion the two situations are too different to try and make a comparison or say which is worse. Both where horrible legacies left by whites and instead of debating which one is worse. We should actualy educate ourselves in the history.

Africans did not first come with Europeans to the New World as slaves.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Pardon me. Skipped everything after page 1 to say:

There is a project down the street from Mom D's crib. nikkas been living there damn near free since. before my lifetime. Sounds like repairations to me.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

not in the north east duke. They are pretty much extinct.

not in up-state NY.. way up north near canada

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Africans did not first come with Europeans to the New World as slaves.

True to an extent. There where free blacks, but there where slaves as well. The free blacks probably came from Europe as already established citezens. But any europeans that took a boat and went to Africa brought back slaves not settlers.

 

[NYC Rebel]

True to an extent. There where free blacks, but there where slaves as well. The free blacks probably came from Europe as already established citezens. But any europeans that took a boat and went to Africa brought back slaves not settlers.

That was several years after Europeans saw how Africans could better survive the harsh conditions of the new world compared to poor whites. Eventually, they moved on from impoverished whites building the country to exclusively blacks and thus the institution was born.

 

[Mowgli]

Not true. There was so much space and resources here there was no need to fight over them. Of course SOME tribes didn't like ANYBODY settling in America. But space was not an issue. Other tribes were very welcoming of whites. They brought alot of things to the natives that made their lives easier. They brung concepts of domestication and they brought horses, just to name a few things.

Says who? Theres alot of land in America now. If some aliens landed and said *all we want are 3 of your major cities.* hows that going to fly. Enough for everybody, is relative.

 

[HookersandIceCream]

At the end of the day

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Says who? Theres alot of land in America now. If some aliens landed and said *all we want are 3 of your major cities.* hows that going to fly. Enough for everybody, is relative.

Europeans settled where the natives weren't.

The natives ALLOWED the whites to settle where they thought fit. You have to remember the early settlers didn't have shyt. They couldn't force anyone off of any land even if they wanted to. They didn't ask for cities they asked the natives to help them NOT DIE and in return they shared knowledge and resources with them.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Europeans settled where the natives weren't.

The natives ALLOWED the whites to settle where they thought fit. You have to remember the early settlers didn't have shyt. They couldn't force anyone off of any land even if they wanted to. They didn't ask for cities they asked the natives to help them NOT DIE and in return they shared knowledge and resources with them.

The same scenario played out in New Orleans where the new settlers didn't have shyt and they needed the help of blacks who knew how to cultivate the land to survive. How did that turn out for black folks?

Same shyt. Don't mix up selfishness and using people with some sort of shared knowledge. They used people.

 

[Texas2step]

I always thought Black people was native Americans since we was here first

RaceandHistory.com - BLACK CIVILIZATIONS OF ANCIENT AMERICA

 

[Mowgli]

Europeans settled where the natives weren't.

The natives ALLOWED the whites to settle where they thought fit. You have to remember the early settlers didn't have shyt. They couldn't force anyone off of any land even if they wanted to. They didn't ask for cities they asked the natives to help them NOT DIE and in return they shared knowledge and resources with them.

Thats half the truth. There was some of that and also, they was encroachment. Also, something else that builds bad blood is them enslaving native americans on the east coast in early 1700. The picture you paint is enough to make native americans look like they were just trippin when in reality they were dealing with a growing demonic force.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The same scenario played out in New Orleans where the new settlers didn't have shyt and they needed the help of blacks who knew how to cultivate the land to survive. How did that turn out for black folks?

Same shyt. Don't mix up selfishness and using people with some sort of shared knowledge. They used people.

Not sure what your talking about with the bolded, but anyway

You guys have such a hatred for whites that y'all ignore the facts. I didn't say their intentions where righteous, or they where trying to help each other. You think the natives weren't trying to use the whites to get what they needed? I'm just saying that relations where allot better before the war, and history COULD be different had the natives sided with the settlers. Maybe they would have held on to more of their land, maybe not.

 

[Fillerguy]

nothing's stopping you guys from using wikipedia. nothing

 

[NYC Rebel]

Not sure what your talking about with the bolded, but anyway

You guys have such a hatred for whites that y'all ignore the facts.

You're not my spokesman. I have a love for history and hate no one.

fukk you, for real. Don't create some strawman out of a niqqa to debate with. There's a prescedent with Europeans using people to survive only to oppress them. Pointing that out doesn't make me a hater of whites.

fukk outta here with that bullshyt. I don't have the time to harbor that type of retarded energy where whites are all one and the same. I'm just real enough to say that the same can't be said for them as it relates to viewing people of color.