Is This Man Correct About "Victim Blaming?"

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I'm giving you my opinion not a research paper.
Cool, so we are on the same page that you just made that up and don't really know what you're talking about. I just wanted to clear that up.

Holla when u get the courage to discuss what actually CAUSES people to rape rather than passive aggressively justifying it by claiming the only way to prevent it is for women to be more careful
 

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If u are looking for maturity and objectivity u are in the wrong place.
eh, I rarely see people do that in the "real world" let alone on a message board. I honestly think college is the only environment where people are encouraged to do this, once you're out on your own its back to the same bullshyt
 

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Cool, so we are on the same page that you just made that up and don't really know what you're talking about. I just wanted to clear that up.

About as much as any of the assertions you have made in this thread without evidence.

Holla when u get the courage to discuss what actually CAUSES people to rape rather than passive aggressively justifying it by claiming the only way to prevent it is for women to be more careful

Keep coming up with strawmans for weak arguments and preaching anti-learning, anti-proactiveness and anti-accountability
 

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Most nikkas dont have the courage to tackle issues regarding the problems of male psychology head on. There always has to be a chicane to project blame and avoid understanding. Its no coincidence that the loudest advocates of "its a womans responsibility to deter rape" also claim that there is no way to understand or reduce rape from the male side. Why do you think that is? What about you @Emperor_ReinScarf? Why do you choose to refuse to look at the psychology of rape?

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I said women can take PRECAUTIONS to lower their chance of ever being a victim of a sexual assault, I never said its unavoidable. Your the idiot who fails to admit steps can be taken on a females part to lower herself of being raped.


and :dahell: I never caped for rapists, there are a vast array of rapists, power rapists, serial rapists, revenge rapists, boyfriend rapists, uncle and grandpa rapists, each rape event is a different case and the motives behind it could be completely different
 

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About as much any of the assertions you have made in this thread without evidence.
Heres the difference between me and you. I can post evidence for the shyt I'm saying. You can't. I tell you what. You post proof that rape is down because of "more effective prevention by potential victims", like I asked you first, and I will post proof of anything I've said in here.

Keep coming up with strawmans for weak arguments and preaching anti-learning, anti-proactiveness and anti-accountability
Lol @ the dude who refuses to discuss the psychology of rape complaining about anti-learning

Lol @ the dude who refuses to examine methods to minimize the creation of new rapists complaining about anti-proactiveness

Lol @ the dude who puts the blame of women getting raped onto women complaining about anti-accountability
 

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Heres the difference between me and you. I can post evidence for the shyt I'm saying. You can't. I tell you what. You post proof that rape is down because of "more effective prevention by potential victims", like I asked you first, and I will post proof of anything I've said in here.


Lol @ the dude who refuses to discuss the psychology of rape complaining about anti-learning

Lol @ the dude who refuses to examine methods to minimize the creation of new rapists complaining about anti-proactiveness

Lol @ the dude who puts the blame of women getting raped onto women complaining about anti-accountability

So essentially more strawmans :snooze:
 

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I said women can take PRECAUTIONS to lower their chance of ever being a victim of a sexual assault, I never said its unavoidable. Your the idiot who fails to admit steps can be taken on a females part to lower herself of being raped.


and :dahell: I never caped for rapists, there are a vast array of rapists, power rapists, serial rapists, revenge rapists, boyfriend rapists, uncle and grandpa rapists, each rape event is a different case and the motives behind it could be completely different
So why leap to how women should prevent themselves, rather than examine and think of ways for society to stop dudes from wanting to rape in the first place?
 

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if you wanna say girls need to be careful when going on dating sites and meeting random men but that a woman's naivety does not give men the right to violate her and we need to take an honest look at the culture which makes some men think that shyt is acceptable, then sure, I'm with you

but if you wanna say she should've been more careful and leave it at that as if that's the main problem in that story, or "bytch deserved it for being stupid" then you're not ready to have a real conversation on the issue. that's my stance.

but as far as my earlier post, I was speaking more on the correlation of victim blaming when it comes to black male victims of racial profiling and female victims of rape/sexual harassment and the inconsistent reactions some people have towards those situations
 

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So why leap to how women should prevent themselves, rather than examine and think of ways for society to stop dudes from wanting to rape in the first place?
We should protect ourselves, and society cannot stop rape. Do you understand how multifaceted the issue of rape is in terms of what drives people to do it? You think there's a panacea for rape?
I was a rape counselor, and some of the missions of our hospital were to change policy for medications, statute of limitations, amongst other things, along with providing services to survivors. We held fundraisers and had educational campaigns, one of which was the "I have the right" campaign. Something we never said was if we keep researching, advocating and educating, rape will cease to exist, all we can do is try to deal with the issue as best as we can. I said all that to say, we don't live in a fantasy world, and although I'll never blame a victim for rape, I do believe there can be some safeguards established.
 

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We should protect ourselves, and society cannot stop rape. Do you understand how multifaceted the issue of rape is in terms of what drives people to do it? You think there's a panacea for rape?
I was a rape counselor, and some of the missions of our hospital were to change policy for medications, statute of limitations, amongst other things, along with providing services to survivors. We held fundraisers and had educational campaigns, one of which was the "I have the right" campaign. Something we never said was if we keep researching, advocating and educating, rape will cease to exist, all we can do is try to deal with the issue as best as we can. I said all that to say, we don't live in a fantasy world, and although I'll never blame a victim for rape, I do believe there can be some safeguards established.
I think there can be some safeguards too, but ultimately trying to minimize rape from the victim side is the wrong approach. I'm not saying there is a panacea or cure all, but we at least have to look at factors that generate rapists, not incidences of rape, and attack those, rather than throw our hands up and try and defend against it. The best solutions for problems are always proactive, not reactive.
 

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A very convenient example. Im guessing u think this level of irresponsibility is representative of the typical rape victim :mjlol:
To be fair, you used similar logic in the whole "Dude would just show up at a funeral claiming that the person shot dead should've moved out of the way of the bullets" statement. Both are extremes. Let's not sit here and act like certain habits and lifestyles don't increase the chance of being victimized by murderers, robbers, rapists, etc...exponentially. It'd be like someone going to a spot in the hood to cop some trees from people they barely know(sometimes people they do know). Harmless activity, right? Well some people go to the hood to cop trees only to get robbed, sometimes even killed in the process. There is always high risk involved in certain activities. As mentioned earlier, no one's absolving those wolves out there who victimize, however, addressing them won't do shyt either because words and logic bounce right off of em. Those types of people are simply sick and don't give a shyt what's said to em. Like the chick who went to meet a guy off Tinder and got gang raped, see when you meet up with strange people online to hook up, there is always that risk that one of them muhfukkas might be a rapist or a murderer. Or, a guy who goes around fukking all sorts of strange bytches raw and catches hep or the monster or something, so it's gonna be all the females fault when he was going around fukking anything raw? :what: The chick who infected him most likely had it and didn't even know she did. When you play those games, sometimes you lose, some L's are small, some are big, and sometimes it's simply game over. :merchant: That's all dude's trying to say. When you knowingly put yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time repeatedly, eventually YOU will succumb to your choices and/or environment. Like if you repeatedly go to a trashy biker bar or a hole in the wall club in the hood, you are knowingly putting yourself in environments in which the risk of physical harm is very fukking high.
 

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addressing them won't do shyt either because words and logic bounce right off of em.
This is not the only way to address them. Obviously you can't approach someone who has rape compulsions like u would a rational normal person, but that doesn't mean they're completely unreachable. If we understand what makes them that way, be it factors, psychological triggers, trauma, whatever, we as a society can work to minimize those factors and the drivers of rape in the first place. Thats a way more effective methodology than trying to protect against it after the fact. Its like the difference between trying to patch a dam that's built and fukked up vs just building a better dam in the first place.

The reflexive jump to put the responsibility on potential victims rather than dive into the root causes is annoying. There is a lot of scientific research surrounding rape. We understand some of the different kinds and what causes them. Why not look at those factors and what society can do about them rather than immediately jumping to yelling "women stop asking to be raped"
 
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