Isiah killin Pippen and Shaq shyttin on Georgetown centers on Open Court

[Consumed]

Nah....but, the MVP does tend to correlate with career accomplishment. You look at all the MVP winners in the last 15 years and the names make sense.

Lebron? Definitely.
Kobe? Definitely.
Derrick Rose? If not for injuries, he'd be a superstar.
Durant? Definitely.
Kevin Garnett? Tim Duncan? Without question.
Dirk Nowitzki? One bad white boy. Went through Kobe & Lebron & Durant for his ring.
Allen Iverson? One of the best guards to play.

Steve Nash doesn't fit in there. Getting one, I'd be cool. Getting two when these other guys don't have two is ridiculous.

If Iverson and Rose fit in there, Nash does too.

Thing that people tend to miss is that MVP doesn't mean best player in a given season. Its a product of narratives, team success and then individual performance. Iverson nor Rose were actually in the conversation for best player in the league during their given campaigns.

 

[Art Barr]

The first year was Shaq's first in Miami and he helped bump them up to a 59 win team. Nash won it due to being the new kid on the block and the Suns being successful. He got credit for the leaps Stat, Marion, and Joe Johnson made and for the Suns winning as much as they did. Not to mention Nash's defensive liabilities. I thought there was a good argument at the time for Shaq to be MVP and definitely looking back it should've been his considering how loaded those Suns teams were.

really real talk, joe johnson was shipped out and not paid because of the pr for nash.
when, before johnson got paid and lazy.
johnson, was a prototype style slashing, off the dribble spotup shooting pg, who was next level.
joe got that check and totally switched it all up and nash and pringles were the one given all the fame.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Ewing was the same way

None of them had good back to the basket moves.

I know the Georgetown big man rep and all, but all I remember is that running hook and jump shots.

wrong,...shaq had no actual real post pedigree to comment on any georgetown center.
real talk, ewing used to own him before his knees went all the way to hell.

to the point, all the west coast better centers back then.
just added on to the rubrick for sonning shaq till age set in.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

If Iverson and Rose fit in there, Nash does too.

Thing that people tend to miss is that MVP doesn't mean best player in a given season. Its a product of narratives, team success and then individual performance. Iverson nor Rose were actually in the conversation for best player in the league during their given campaigns.

just stop, breh.

the mvp is an award that they will move around.
so, it does not get stagnated from one player consistently winning.
so, they have created a narrative to explain why the award is never platooned to one player.
unless, that player creates a narrative in pr.
that surpasses the previous narrative in pr from the last campaign.

with that said,....
rose and iverson were the best actual player in the league during their campaigns.
as no one there size or bigger without an additional player could stop either of them.

you can make the argument for lebron, being mvp during that exact year.
yet, bron played on a stacked team that had every intangible and sign of the times situation present.
so, trying to discredit ivo or rose that year is offkey and off brand and off base.


art barr

 

[HARLEM AL]

That was dope as hell

 

[HARLEM AL]

LMFAOOOOOOOO stop playa

 

[Romey Rome]

Where can I get more of this brehs. This was a very dope watch

 

[Consumed]

just stop, breh.

the mvp is an award that they will move around. so, it does not get stagnated from one player consistently winning. so, they have created a narrative to explain why the award is never platooned to one player. unless, that player creates a narrative in pr. that surpasses the previous narrative in pr from the last campaign.

with that said,....
rose and iverson were the best actual player in the league during their campaigns.
as no one there size or bigger without an additional player could stop either of them.

you can make the argument for lebron, being mvp during that exact year.
yet, bron played on a stacked team that had every intangible and sign of the times situation present.
so, trying to discredit ivo or rose that year is offkey and off brand and off base.


art barr

Not entirely sure what you're saying in the first paragraph, but I'm pretty sure you just agreed with my point about storylines being created to push a players MVP case. So its not just about the best player in the game which is my point. I really wish people would stop giving so much power to that award.

Do you seriously believe Iverson was even in the same sentence with Shaq in 2001, and that Rose was remotely close to LeBron in 2011. Seriously let me know if I read that wrong. It's not discarding them as players to say they're inferior to pantheon level all time greats.

I don't really care about MVP arguments, most of them boil down to nonsense criteria. All I care about is who played the best in a given season, and like Nash neither of those two guys even had an argument for that.

 

[Still Benefited]

I remember a story from my mama about how Isiah kicked her out of a party cause she caught that nikka snorting a line. Til this day she hates Zeke. She said Magic had to check Zeke about that cause she was Magic's guest. Idk if true but I know fasho that my OG was besties with Magic in college so it's not far fetched.

She hates that I'm an Isiah fan

Magics "guest"

Depending on what year this was just think,Zeke might've saved you and ya mamas life that night

 

[MJ Truth]

because if magic, bird, or isiah got drafted to the 84 bulls they might have experienced roughly the same thing

Isiah got drafted to the fukking Pistons who were just as bad if not worse than the Bulls team Jordan got drafted to though.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Magics "guest"

Depending on what year this was just think,Zeke might've saved you and ya mamas life that night

 

[NYC Rebel]

Not entirely sure what you're saying in the first paragraph, but I'm pretty sure you just agreed with my point about storylines being created to push a players MVP case. So its not just about the best player in the game which is my point. I really wish people would stop giving so much power to that award.

Do you seriously believe Iverson was even in the same sentence with Shaq in 2001, and that Rose was remotely close to LeBron in 2011. Seriously let me know if I read that wrong. It's not discarding them as players to say they're inferior to pantheon level all time greats.

I don't really care about MVP arguments, most of them boil down to nonsense criteria. All I care about is who played the best in a given season, and like Nash neither of those two guys even had an argument for that.

That "he makes his teammates better" narrative was at FULL TILT for Nash those years

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Magics "guest"

Depending on what year this was just think,Zeke might've saved you and ya mamas life that night

Lmao. That was mid 80's bro, wayyyyyyy before the monster. OG keeps it real with us, my OG knew Magic from College, not the NBA. She said they were FRIENDS ONLY. Can't say the same for Dominique Wilkins though

 

[Art Barr]

Not entirely sure what you're saying in the first paragraph, but I'm pretty sure you just agreed with my point about storylines being created to push a players MVP case. So its not just about the best player in the game which is my point. I really wish people would stop giving so much power to that award.

Do you seriously believe Iverson was even in the same sentence with Shaq in 2001, and that Rose was remotely close to LeBron in 2011. Seriously let me know if I read that wrong. It's not discarding them as players to say they're inferior to pantheon level all time greats.

I don't really care about MVP arguments, most of them boil down to nonsense criteria. All I care about is who played the best in a given season, and like Nash neither of those two guys even had an argument for that.

Well, if you agree there exists a narrative that plausibly is written.

Again, like I said,.....
When, it came to ivo.
Ivo was playing out of position and playing in a system where socially he was at odds with the coach.
Plus, a changing of the guard admin wise as well.
With d rose you are talembout an org based and welled in purposeful mediocrity.
Becoming the best team in the league record wise.

So, I don't agree with you being negative towards Ai and rose as MVP.
As, it does not take into account the overall full scope and narrative of the parties involved from the winners to the people passed over.

Art Barr

 

[NYC Rebel]

Lmao. That was mid 80's bro, wayyyyyyy before the monster. OG keeps it real with us, my OG knew Magic from College, not the NBA. She said they were FRIENDS ONLY. Can't say the same for Dominique Wilkins though