Isiah killin Pippen and Shaq shyttin on Georgetown centers on Open Court

[NYC Rebel]

Cats love to shyt on Nash and D'Antoni but don't realize they pretty much created the modern league (and Don Nelson too). Usually you can tell who didn't watch shyt in that era by what they say about the Suns and MVPs.

Some real actual knowledge being dropped in here

These "I know more than most of you" posters are trash.

 

[threattonature]

The dirty secret of all this is... Nash was kinda ahead of his time. It happened at the end of his career, so he didn't have the same kind of longevity with big numbers that he should have... but you look at how teams are playing now, offenses being focused from the outside-in, looking to free up as many open 3's as possible... that is BUILT for him. if he entered the league ten years later, he'd have put up massive numbers for a decade.

Steph Curry is obviously a better player... but the style comparison, and the success he's having with his skillset shows that Nash would be doing huge numbers right now, and making dudes furious.

You have to play the game that exists... all of this "who i'd take on the blacktop" shyt is cool... but nba games aren't played on the blacktop. Which is why curry is the best point guard in the world right now, even though a lot of old heads probably think Payton or Zeke or whomever would hand him his ass.

I look at it in the opposite light. I think the offense Nash ran was ahead of his time and so teams had no clue how to attempt to defend it which helped it be so successful. I think in today's game with more teams playing that style teams are becoming more comfortable defending it. A large part of Nash's success was being able to force a switch with a prototypical center trying to guard them Which then would either force a double or give Nash room to take it to the basket for one of his flip shots (hugely underrated part of Nash's game) or step back and pop the three. Now more teams are getting away from slow lumbering big men and trying to use more big men who are comfortable stepping out and guarding points and attacking the ball handler. I think that would make Nash's life a lot harder since he wasn't the most explosive one on one player. Not to mention I think PG has gotten much deeper from Nash's best years as well. I think he'd be a Mike Conley level player.

 

[Consumed]

Give busters more credit than the guy putting wind beneath their sails to have the confidence to execute.
Rose and ivo were the best that year and if they were not there.
There is no other player on that roster who could have helped them be formidable.


Art Barr

You are a very poetic individual. This discussion has been quote worthy

Having no other player on the roster that can replicate your value doesn't make you the best player in the league. If you mean their circumstances offensively were more difficult than contemporaries, are we going to act like its not a criterion for superstars to be able to deal with immense defensive pressure? That's a part of the damn job description, we don't give out bonus points for that. Both Shaq & LBJ have thrived in those conditions while performing far better in the postseason than either. I have never heard any legitimate reasoning for Iverson being better than Shaq nor Rose over LeBron and I have yet to see it here. Literally the only reason anyone would ever consider such is b/c they won the MVP that year, which again is my problem with the power that award is given. It does not mean best player in the league. You decide that for yourself with objective reasoning uninfluenced by bias and narratives.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The Open Court top 50 show was one of my favorites. Just watched it again a couple days ago. I wonder if they'd have the balls to take players off the list to replace them with current players or if they'd just wait until the 75th year and create top 75 list.

I'm pretty sure there was a segment where everybody had to take a player out of the original top 50.

i remember webber going in on bill walton.

that episode was so great, i have it on tape.

Wasn't it Zeke & Shaq that were calling Steve Nash a system player during one of the episodes?

i don't think zeke was on there.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

I'm pretty sure there was a segment where everybody had to take a player out of the original top 50.

i remember webber going in on bill walton.

that episode was so great, i have it on tape.





i don't think zeke was on there.

Tape? In 2015

 

[mastermind]

I think he'd be a Mike Conley level player.

you're buggin. Seriously.

Nash is one of the best shooters ever at the point guard position, something Conley could never be. That matters in this modern era of point guard/offense.

 

[Art Barr]

Zeke still wants to see Malone for the fade this day even, he ethers Pippen and Malone on the Mic any chance he gets. I'm sure if they had either on the panel as a guest fist would fly.

Zeke don't want no smoke.
He hid behind his brother his entire time on the streets out here.
Zeke is known for nothing but running his mouth till his brother saved his ass.
Karl Malone to paxson to bull Cartwright all split him open.
All that shyt is show and just his mouth.
Duke is only a conman grifter of the ny franchise and sexual assault artist after.
He only gets places cause he is a piece of shyt and white guys like that shyt.
He was never cool on the streets.
Only cool, he had was cause his brother protected him.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'm pretty sure there was a segment where everybody had to take a player out of the original top 50.

i remember webber going in on bill walton.

that episode was so great, i have it on tape.





i don't think zeke was on there.

Tape? In 2015

You must be mad young,.....
I don't know anybody who says TiVo or DVR.
Plus saying on tape is still the best saying even if we don't use dcr's anymore.


Art Barr

 

[I.V.]

The comments by the Open Court guys werent shytting on Nash though.

If anything, it praised how great a guy like Jason Kidd was.

Well, yes and no. The "who would you pick on a blacktop" was definitely a direct shot at Nash...

But I'm more responding to this site's take on Nash as some kind of gimmick player, when really the league's most successful teams are all now using that style of play.

I look at it in the opposite light. I think the offense Nash ran was ahead of his time and so teams had no clue how to attempt to defend it which helped it be so successful. I think in today's game with more teams playing that style teams are becoming more comfortable defending it. A large part of Nash's success was being able to force a switch with a prototypical center trying to guard them Which then would either force a double or give Nash room to take it to the basket for one of his flip shots (hugely underrated part of Nash's game) or step back and pop the three. Now more teams are getting away from slow lumbering big men and trying to use more big men who are comfortable stepping out and guarding points and attacking the ball handler. I think that would make Nash's life a lot harder since he wasn't the most explosive one on one player. Not to mention I think PG has gotten much deeper from Nash's best years as well. I think he'd be a Mike Conley level player.

This whole post is revisionist. Teams were constantly forced to play more athletic lineups against the Suns, that's where the term "going small" came from in the modern lexicon. They weren't trotting out centers, because the suns didn't use one.

And "know how to defend it" -- the way to defend a 3 point offense hasn't changed, there are just more teams doing it.

And on top of that, the point guard crop getting "deeper" really has nothing to do with anything I've posted. He'd still be an elite shooter and distributor... that doesn't change. Nash did plenty of scoring on opposing guards, without "having to get big men switched onto him" - making it seem like it was all mismatches is patently false, and honestly kind of unfair.

fukk, I don't even like Steve Nash like that, don't make me be the guy who has to defend him.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

You must be mad young,.....
I don't know anybody who says TiVo or DVR.
Plus saying on tape is still the best saying even if we don't use dcr's anymore.


Art Barr

Nah. I'm 28, Mos def taped shyt back in the days. I hear most people say DVR myself

 

[mastermind]

Well, yes and no. The "who would you pick on a blacktop" was definitely a direct shot at Nash...

But I'm more responding to this site's take on Nash as some kind of gimmick player, when really the league's most successful teams are all now using that style of play.

thats fair, but it was Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, and Allen Iverson who were the 3 other players. If he said Nash would be 4th behind Terrell Brandon, Devin Harris, and even Tony Parker, then its a shot.

But yeah, Nash was not a gimmick player. He put in work in Dallas.

 

[Art Barr]

Pippen used to get bytched out and beat up against the Pistons constantly and Isiah knew this. Ole migraine before Game 7 head ass, you know Isiah was downright up there lmao

That shyt was pure comedy he cant stand that nikka

That's why Isiah the GOAT PG hands down.

Magic is the goat pg.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Nah. I'm 28, Mos def taped shyt back in the days. I hear most people say DVR myself

You are young breh.

Twenty eight is a world of a Gen away from me.


Art Barr

 

[DetroitEWarren]

You are young breh.

Twenty eight is a world of a Gen away from me.


Art Barr

 

[Brozay]

That "he makes his teammates better" narrative was at FULL TILT for Nash those years

He did elevate his teammates offensively tho