Isiah killin Pippen and Shaq shyttin on Georgetown centers on Open Court

[NormanConnors]

Zeke don't want no smoke.
He hid behind his brother his entire time on the streets out here.
Zeke is known for nothing but running his mouth till his brother saved his ass.
Karl Malone to paxson to bull Cartwright all split him open.
All that shyt is show and just his mouth.
Duke is only a conman grifter of the ny franchise and sexual assault artist after.
He only gets places cause he is a piece of shyt and white guys like that shyt.
He was never cool on the streets.
Only cool, he had was cause his brother protected him.

Art Barr

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Magic is the goat pg.

Art Barr

Disagree but carry on

 

[Brozay]

Disagree but carry on

Isiah doesn't even disagree

 

[threattonature]

you're buggin. Seriously.

Nash is one of the best shooters ever at the point guard position, something Conley could never be. That matters in this modern era of point guard/offense.

Don't get me wrong Nash has a sick skill set. But while a great shooter Nash just was a passer first scorer second. He reminded me of John Stockton in that regard. If they were more aggressive they could've dropped a lot more points but they just weren't the attacking type like that. They'd take advantage if you left them a wide open shot or lane to drive but they were unlikely to just put their heads down and take advantage of a one on one matchup. I think Conley is more talented than the Grizzlies system allows him to display. Put Conley in a more up and down fast paced system and I could see him putting up high assists totals.

And I only brought up Conley to say that I would see Nash as being a borderline all-star player year in year out but on the second teir of PGs with the PG crop being much deeper now.

 

[Art Barr]

Disagree but carry on

Be completely wrong, breh.
Even, Zeke said magic was the goat pg.




Art Barr

Real talk, Michael Jordan is the goat pg, tho.

 

[threattonature]

Well, yes and no. The "who would you pick on a blacktop" was definitely a direct shot at Nash...

But I'm more responding to this site's take on Nash as some kind of gimmick player, when really the league's most successful teams are all now using that style of play.



This whole post is revisionist. Teams were constantly forced to play more athletic lineups against the Suns, that's where the term "going small" came from in the modern lexicon. They weren't trotting out centers, because the suns didn't use one.

And "know how to defend it" -- the way to defend a 3 point offense hasn't changed, there are just more teams doing it.

And on top of that, the point guard crop getting "deeper" really has nothing to do with anything I've posted. He'd still be an elite shooter and distributor... that doesn't change. Nash did plenty of scoring on opposing guards, without "having to get big men switched onto him" - making it seem like it was all mismatches is patently false, and honestly kind of unfair.

fukk, I don't even like Steve Nash like that, don't make me be the guy who has to defend him.

There was not a large number of teams going to small more athletic lineup when Nash was winning his MVPs minus maybe the Mavs. What other teams were going small like that? Most teams didn't even have the personnel to go small like that to match up against them. Not to mention most teams still had the stubborn mindset that the Suns offense wasn't sustainable in the playoffs and refused to alter what they were doing to match up against them. Nothing revisionist about that.
Marion playing a lot at the 4 combined with Diaw's talents was seen as so revolutionary because he was pulling bigs out of the paint and taking them out of their comfort zone not to mention that could slash and had such diverse skills.

You made my point for me in regards to how teams were defending the Suns. With more teams spreading out and running a D'antoni type systems, more and more teams are designing defenses to stop it. So that would definitely play a part in how much success Nash would see running it on the regular. Not saying it wouldn't be a successful offense because those teams were loaded with offensive talent but I'm saying it would not catch as many defenses off guard because current defenses are more used to seeing that style. Eventually defenses catch up.

My point about PG being deeper is that Nash's defensive liabilites would stand out even more as well as him not standing head and shoulder above others playing the position. More competition on a night by night basis now.

 

[Art Barr]

Don't get me wrong Nash has a sick skill set. But while a great shooter Nash just was a passer first scorer second. He reminded me of John Stockton in that regard. If they were more aggressive they could've dropped a lot more points but they just weren't the attacking type like that. They'd take advantage if you left them a wide open shot or lane to drive but they were unlikely to just put their heads down and take advantage of a one on one matchup. I think Conley is more talented than the Grizzlies system allows him to display. Put Conley in a more up and down fast paced system and I could see him putting up high assists totals.

And I only brought up Conley to say that I would see Nash as being a borderline all-star player year in year out but on the second teir of PGs with the PG crop being much deeper now.

Conley is not more talented than Nash.
To the point Nash was the pg.
The old guard exclusively took under their wing and he played the whipping boi to them on purpose.
to ramp up using their collective brain trust to become who he became.

Conley with more resources and being a domestic [nash is a next gen euro like tony parker]
Who is still riding the coattails of his father's admin prowess and sentimentalism of oden going down.
He is nowhere near nash's talent level at all.
If he was, he would be known like Nash was even with dirk, before phx.
I could see Conley ramping up, like Nash.
Yet, his dad would have to pull that string.
Unlike Nash, who it was a big deal why the older young guard would take him under their wing.


Art Barr

 

[mastermind]

Don't get me wrong Nash has a sick skill set. But while a great shooter Nash just was a passer first scorer second. He reminded me of John Stockton in that regard. If they were more aggressive they could've dropped a lot more points but they just weren't the attacking type like that. They'd take advantage if you left them a wide open shot or lane to drive but they were unlikely to just put their heads down and take advantage of a one on one matchup. I think Conley is more talented than the Grizzlies system allows him to display. Put Conley in a more up and down fast paced system and I could see him putting up high assists totals.

And I only brought up Conley to say that I would see Nash as being a borderline all-star player year in year out but on the second teir of PGs with the PG crop being much deeper now.

Right, but you said he would be Conley level. Nash is better than that. I like Conley a lot, but you being disrespectful.

 

[mastermind]

Conley with more resources and being a domestic [nash is a next gen euro like tony parker]

Nash is Canadian and played college ball in the US.

 

[Art Barr]

Nash is Canadian and played college ball in the US.

All Canadians are classified in basketball as euros, breh.
They are not domestic players in nature to what is considered American basketball.
It is why guys like, Wiggins in high school are on the world team.

Art Barr

 

[mastermind]

All Canadians are classified in basketball as euros, breh.

no they arent, creh

 

[Surreal]

Nash beating out Kobe in '06 still a tragedy. '05 he had a case but I would've given it to Shaq.

The truth is that Dirk should have 2

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Oscar Robertson is the goat point guard.

goat player too.

 

[Art Barr]

no they arent, creh

You really think a Canadian is classified by other hoopers as American.
Or, of the American game.
All Canadians been classified as euros

It is a ferocity factor as to why they are classified as euro's.
Being a euro player is not about region it is about ferocity.
that a player not born in America lacks incomparison to an America born player.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Oscar Robertson is the goat point guard.

goat player too.

Michael Jordan averaged what Oscar did playing point guard except for one game where he went to the bench early.
An assist short of his triple double average.
after destroying a team by double digits, and sitting early.


Art Barr