Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
That would have helped them. But remember it wasn't just outside shooting that hurt that team (they were a poor 3 point shooting team). It was a lack of size at center that got them beat against teams like the nuggets.

Back then the league let more physicality happen in the paint and actually let big men dominate and play physical. In that nuggets series they tried to go small to beat the nuggets but Mutumbo (he was a true 7 footer and they could not handle his size or Lephonso Ellis) just controlled the paint and dominated kemp and the rest of seattles big men.

The sonics ended up addressing the size issue getting Jim Mcilvane and the shooting issue by getting Hersey Hawkins and replacing Kendal Gill at SG.



They couldn't get Mutumbo out of the paint, today, it would be a gang of PnRs and possibly stretch 4s playing at the 5 to get him to cover the PnR. That's one of the reasons Yao and the Rockets could never get it done, teams just constantly got him involved in PnR coverage and forced him to defend further out than he wanted to.

That same Sonics team today would be a lot like the Clippers, who are honestly a throwback team in how they have two interior bigs, but nobody really believes they can win it all because of spacing issues.

I think the zone is really more to blame for how the game is played today more than anything else.
 

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Bolded, maybe in their respective countries.

Charles Oakley wasnt even on the championship bulls teams.

Please stop posting about things you know little about.



Also, Isiah is wrong as shyt. :mjlol:
 

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For all these Older guys complaning most of em would enjoy playing in this era the spacing some of those guys would have:damn::damn::damn:
 

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Bolded, maybe in their respective countries.

Charles Oakley wasnt even on the championship bulls teams.

Please stop posting about things you know little about.



Also, Isiah is wrong as shyt. :mjlol:


I didnt say he was on the championship teams now did i?

nikkas said all of jordans teammates were scrubs and oak aint no scrub

So maybe you oughtta take your own advice and leave the basketball discussion to the adults bytch.
 

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They couldn't get Mutumbo out of the paint, today, it would be a gang of PnRs and possibly stretch 4s playing at the 5 to get him to cover the PnR. That's one of the reasons Yao and the Rockets could never get it done, teams just constantly got him involved in PnR coverage and forced him to defend further out than he wanted to.

That same Sonics team today would be a lot like the Clippers, who are honestly a throwback team in how they have two interior bigs, but nobody really believes they can win it all because of spacing issues.

I think the zone is really more to blame for how the game is played today more than anything else.

Yeah I think it is the zone and how the fouls are called. You literally can not take advantage of a switch if the defensive player is switched to a big person. If you post them up the refs are ready to call a offensive foul. You see this almost every night in the NBA and it is even worse come playoff time.

Post players are not allowed to post up and get fouls. They are most likely to get a foul when facing a defender and being in the triple threat than just posting up. This never happened in the past.

As I have said in the past it is the same reason QBs and WRs run wild in the NFL. Rules, rules rules and the removal of intimidation and physicality....plain and simple.
 

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Here's the problem with the handchecking argument though, there are guys who played with it, and without it, and we can look at their numbers. For example, Allen Iverson's best shooting season was with handchecking, he also won an MVP with it still around, not to say Rose is on his level but he was tiny and a bent arm did nothing with him because he's quick. The handchecking everyone is always referencing is when the NBA removed it completely before the start of the 04-05 season, that is the lightning rod everyone is always talking about, but we can just look at dudes numbers like Marbury, Iverson, B. Davis Francis pre-and post rule.

You can play Frye with Thompson because they're playing with LeBron, a player that commands just as much attention as Duncan, Shaq and Hakeem. Today, most of these PGs that are hard to defend play with a stretch 4, because it creates a situation where you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Do you go over and hard trap the PG and potentially leave the stretch 4 open for the three, do you switch on the pick and have your big guard some dude who is looking to dance all over him or have the stretch 4 roll to the rim. Do you go under the screen and risk the PG pulling up for a three? How many stretch bigs in the past were playing with drive and kick players? How many teams really tried to spread the floor like that other than Don Nelson experiments, everyone tried the same shyt. How much more effective do you think Gary Payton would have been if Kemp had been playing the 5, and he had someone like Ryan Anderson at the 4 instead the Kemp/Johnson Kemp/Perkins frontcourts he had? The Jazz probably would have a better shot against the Bulls with a floor spacer to give Karl more room rather than Ostertag, Carr and Foster.

Teams are being built with space in mind now because of the zone, it's a design philosophy and I bet teams like the Sixers, Nuggets and Wolves with young bigs will put floor spacers at the 4 next to their guys.

Dropping science :salute:
 

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I don't even know why I wanted to post this video, but when you mentioned Kelly Tripuka I just remember that Jordan posterized him:



The video had nothing to do with the topic nor anything that you said, but the Kelly Tripuka mention brought back the dunk in my mind. That dunk was sick at full speed. Oh and that was Rex Chapman that Jordan spinned around like a top at the free throw line.

It's the main reason why I still remember him.

:heh:
 

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They couldn't get Mutumbo out of the paint, today, it would be a gang of PnRs and possibly stretch 4s playing at the 5 to get him to cover the PnR. That's one of the reasons Yao and the Rockets could never get it done, teams just constantly got him involved in PnR coverage and forced him to defend further out than he wanted to.
Watching Boozer work him out used to have me :picard:
 

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nikkas really wanna watch trash big men of today post up... :scust:

I had to deal with that shyt with D12 for three years. It's WOAT basketball.

I think it was @Gravity who said that, Cavs play 90s Basketball

Ironically, that's the type of defense that's making Curry ineffective :mjpls:

There has to be Balance, all offense an no defense? Or 80's all defense and no offense?

I think the perfect balance was from 93-2005 where you could run but you could also be pyshical without slowing the game down too much.
Championship teams had to be great on offense an defense, had to have shooters and post up players.
No all you have is shooters, little to no post play,
Most teams don't even need a center, that's how bad it is.

This is literally the video game era, Kobe would of put up 110 points in a game instead of the 80, he got 60 in his last game at 37, people wanna say the jazz played soft..lol when don't they play soft...the league is soft aside from the cavs and cousins from Sacramento image him a more pyshical team...wow he would be champ by now.
 

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Saw the disgust live on his face, "aye you wanna get a drink" "I still be mad, I still remember" :damn: :dead:
Goofy ass Matt tryna defend Hoiberg

edit: just like the NFL it's an offensive league :yeshrug:
 
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