Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Aren't you a CAC

Based off what exactly?

 

[mastermind]

"In terms of overall talent, the Bulls may be the overrated team in sports history #MJdaGoat"

Didnt say shyt about 90s only you stupid little test tube baby

And if cheryl miller and that piece of shyt pedophile karl malone fukking got in, oak will too

He didnt call them scrubs, you dust addict. He even said "in relative to other championship teams."

Stay off the dust breh.

 

[Ohene]

lol man...he said some real shyt about big men being SOFT.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Until the Bad Boys got fully formed at the end of the 1990s, NO ONE was played hard on defense in most regular season games.

Where do you think the Bad Boys got there steez from? Nothing is new under the sun

 

[Dark is the night]

He didnt call them scrubs, you dust addict. He even said "in relative to other championship teams."

Stay off the dust breh.

You sure seem to have quite the interest in dust my friend, is it because your genitalia has been dry so long?

Or perhaps it is in reference to a family member

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

No matter the era, old heads staying mad and young cats for whatever is a constant. I just pray I don't turn into the cranky old guy.

 

[Malta]

I semi agree with you on the handchecking. It does not mean every single point guard or perimeter player numbers are all of a sudden going to go down by 7 points a game or something similar, but it does mean that some point guards games are going to trend down and never go back to where they were. Steph for example is a guy who would be severely impacted by handchecking. He is not over athletic, he is not overly quick, he does not have great leaping ability, so if you are allowed to put a hand on him and ride him all over the court, he is going to have a much harder time than say someone like Westbrook when it comes to shot creation due to the overwhelming athletic difference. You can already sort of see this with steph with his "we need more pick and roll" comment which I took to mean "i need more space to shoot the ball" and that is what handshaking does, it limits space. And then there is the overall team factor effect that handchecking has. So Westbrook for example, while I do not think his shot creation would change much (in part because he takes a lot of bad shots) I think his assist and rebound numbers would start to trend down, probably WAY down over time, because a lot of his assist come from his getting in the lane, collapsing the defense, and he dumps off easy passes to adams and kanter and hits whoever is in the corner for 3's, you bring handchecking back and it becomes harder for him to get in the lane and pass...now all of a sudden Adam's is not getting 3 to 5 dunks and layups a game...now all of a sudden all those guys who have no real skill other than standing around shooting open shots after he collapses the defense start to get fewer and fewer of them because it becomes harder to get those drive and kick opportunities when the opposing defenisve player can close that 2 feet of space and not worry about a whistle.

As far as Lebron, if we are talking about the nba as it is right now then yes you are absolutely correct. If we are talking about dropping this current cavs team into say the lat 80's to mid 90's then I'm not so sure, because there are so many hard fouls that teams back then could deliver to Lebron and they might not even get called a foul. Lebron at 32 damn near just as physically dominate as Lebron at 26, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that you can't get very physical with him. Now drop him in that old school eastern conference and he got to spend year after year going against the bad boy pistons and instead of basketball they just trying to knock his block off like they were doing jordan. Drop him in that old school eastern conference with Van Gundy's knicks where Oakley is going to be going at his head when he comes down the lane. I don't think he could physically overwhelm those teams like he does these, at this age, because the rules allowed those teams to deliver punishment to a guy and the rules today punish a guy for trying to play defense. If he was to do it his jumpshot would have to get a lot more consistent.

You also have to consider the "culture shock" aspect of guys who are used to never being touched all of a sudden going to being touched all the time if you bring handchecking back. Harden is a guy who I think is good enough to put up numbers no matter what cause he has shown he can adjust his game...but imagine say his first 10 games if the nba all of a sudden brought handchecking and physicality back...imagine all of the times he flies into a defender and flays his arms for a foul and all of a sudden that is consistently a turnover instead of consistently a foul and freethrows

See, there's a direct comparison for Steph, and that would be Mark Price. The physicality didn't stop him and he's smaller & less athletic than Steph, he wasn't a better shooter or finisher than Steph either. Not having a PF that can hit the three would be a bigger impact on Steph than anything else, his game is dependant on a dynamic PF, and he's suffering this year because Dray's shooting has been shyt compared to last year (39% vs 33%). Westbrook relies on the PnR, he's not trying to beat his guy in isolation on most plays, he's calling for a pick and making the defense pick what they defend. There are fewers specialists in the NBA today than at any point in time, even the guys who shoot the threes are asked to do more than they were 10 years ago.


Eh, LeBron has gone against some of the best defensive teams in history, the 08-11Celtics, 04 Pistons and 04-07 Spurs were all-time level defenses teams. Just being overly physical with him isn't going to stop him, and the flip side to the coin is LeBron would be allowed to drive in a lot more an just barrel dudes over without having to worry about picking up charges as much. There's nothing that would stop the Cavs from doing what they do, which is spacing the floor, using the Pick & roll, and shooting a ton of threes. The whole hard foul stuff is overstated, especially when smaller guys were making a living back then, Penny Hardaway survived games against the Knicks, the year Jordan was out Pippen damn near beat the Knicks playing as a point forward and all 126lbs of Reggie Miller survived series vs them.


The zone is what has led to the NBA we have today, if they implemented handchecking they'd have to get rid of the zone, you cannot have them both. But, the teams as they are built today can function under any set of rules because most of the players are incorporating their teammates (a pick) to get into their offense.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

No matter the era, old heads staying mad and young cats for whatever is a constant. I just pray I don't turn into the cranky old guy.

Sometimes its hate... Sometimes its not....

 

[ISO]

The bolded, perfect description

I agree on that era. That balance is what people are complaining about. People are missing the point thinking the NBA legends want a slow 67-65 team points after 4 quarters. In the 80s and 90s, and early 2000s you had a combo of a run and gun style, that can also slow it down to a half court style, combined with a team that prided itself on rebounds, defense, and making you earn those points. Just realized something. Do people try to even draw offensive charges anymore ? . I remember Glen Big Baby Davis, Chuck Hayes, etc used to do that as a defensive strategy. Damn it's even gotten that bad

Yes players draw charges

 

[ISO]

The thought of LeBron not dominating in the 80's in a faster paced league with no zone defenses in a league with inferior athletes because he's scared ol Bill Laimbeer is going to knock him down

LeBron has faced stronger defenses in his career than the lauded Bad Boys and cooked.

 

[duckbutta]

See, there's a direct comparison for Steph, and that would be Mark Price. The physicality didn't stop him and he's smaller & less athletic than Steph, he wasn't a better shooter or finisher than Steph either. Not having a PF that can hit the three would be a bigger impact on Steph than anything else, his game is dependant on a dynamic PF, and he's suffering this year because Dray's shooting has been shyt compared to last year (39% vs 33%). Westbrook relies on the PnR, he's not trying to beat his guy in isolation on most plays, he's calling for a pick and making the defense pick what they defend. There are fewers specialists in the NBA today than at any point in time, even the guys who shoot the threes are asked to do more than they were 10 years ago.


Eh, LeBron has gone against some of the best defensive teams in history, the 08-11Celtics, 04 Pistons and 04-07 Spurs were all-time level defenses teams. Just being overly physical with him isn't going to stop him, and the flip side to the coin is LeBron would be allowed to drive in a lot more an just barrel dudes over without having to worry about picking up charges as much. There's nothing that would stop the Cavs from doing what they do, which is spacing the floor, using the Pick & roll, and shooting a ton of threes. The whole hard foul stuff is overstated, especially when smaller guys were making a living back then, Penny Hardaway survived games against the Knicks, the year Jordan was out Pippen damn near beat the Knicks playing as a point forward and all 126lbs of Reggie Miller survived series vs them.


The zone is what has led to the NBA we have today, if they implemented handchecking they'd have to get rid of the zone, you cannot have them both. But, the teams as they are built today can function under any set of rules because most of the players are incorporating their teammates (a pick) to get into their offense.

We will have to agree to disagree cause I just don't see it. I think not having a PF that can shoot 3's play a part in hurting steph, but i think the overarching problem is that he needs space to be effective and if you bring handchecking back that allows defenders to close space on him that they currently can't.

And I'm not really concerned with how "good" the defense is or how it ranks statistically. You can make the case that those Piston bad boys teams are grossly overrated defensively because the whole scheme was about hammering people and you can't even play that way anymore. I'm speaking more to the fact that in today's NBA Lebron knows he can steam roll down the lane 10 to 15 times a game and nobody is going to deliver a hard foul to him. Drop him in against the bad boy Pistons and lambeert and mahorn and Salley and Rodman are going to deck his ass cause they could get away with it then. So the question I have is if Lebron has to play that way does he have it in him to keep going to the rim like he has during his nba career now? I think the answer to that question is no. I think eventually he gets fouled hard one to many times and he says you know what it's not worth it I'm just going to shoot these jumpers. And I think we would agree that shooting jumpers is probably still the weakest part of Lebrons game. If you can somehow keep him out of the lane then at least you don't lose cause he just physically overwhelmed you, which is pretty much a staple of how his career has gone.

 

[soulfuljah]

No, he said all of jordans bulls teammates were scrubs

And half of them will be in the hof you dumb bytch, pippen and rodman are already there and kerr is a shoe in and if john stockton can get in, so can oak

So why dont you get out the thread hoe?

Breh,

What makes Kerr a shoe-in? His court play will not and this is only his 3rd year coaching.
And you comparing John Stockton to Oak? NBA all time leader in assist and steals John Stockton?

 

[Dark is the night]

Breh,

What makes Kerr a shoe-in? His court play will not and this is only his 3rd year coaching.
And you comparing John Stockton to Oak? NBA all time leader in assist and steals John Stockton?

Won multiple titles with different teams as a player and a coach
Top 10 3 point shooter(in clutch as well

All john stockton did was pass the fukking rock and never won 1 damn title and he got in

 

[Mook]

Grossly exaggerating.

look at this whole video bruh. THESE NEW nikkaS STINK!

 

[KevCo]

Its a different time tho....the game in general is softer...its a superstar league....