Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[Malta]

We will have to agree to disagree cause I just don't see it. I think not having a PF that can shoot 3's play a part in hurting steph, but i think the overarching problem is that he needs space to be effective and if you bring handchecking back that allows defenders to close space on him that they currently can't.

And I'm not really concerned with how "good" the defense is or how it ranks statistically. You can make the case that those Piston bad boys teams are grossly overrated defensively because the whole scheme was about hammering people and you can't even play that way anymore. I'm speaking more to the fact that in today's NBA Lebron knows he can steam roll down the lane 10 to 15 times a game and nobody is going to deliver a hard foul to him. Drop him in against the bad boy Pistons and lambeert and mahorn and Salley and Rodman are going to deck his ass cause they could get away with it then. So the question I have is if Lebron has to play that way does he have it in him to keep going to the rim like he has during his nba career now? I think the answer to that question is no. I think eventually he gets fouled hard one to many times and he says you know what it's not worth it I'm just going to shoot these jumpers. And I think we would agree that shooting jumpers is probably still the weakest part of Lebrons game. If you can somehow keep him out of the lane then at least you don't lose cause he just physically overwhelmed you, which is pretty much a staple of how his career has gone.

He doesn't need space as much as he needs his PF to be an effective shooter, that is why it never worked with David Lee despite him being a 20/10 big, because he couldn't shoot. Dray's down year in shooting and them not running PnR is where the problems have been for him this season, there's less need to close out hard on Dray or devote as much attention to him.




Being physical isn't the way to stop LeBron, and if the Bad Boy Piston's couldn't hurt Jordan how are they going to hurt a guy that's 60lbs heavier than him? I mean, the Pistons didn't kill Charles Barkley either and he was living in the lane against them without any type of three point shooting around him to keep them honest. LeBron can steamroll his way to the rim because he's been playing with shooters at PF for the last 7 years of his career, if you removed the shooting he wouldn't be able to drive as effectively right now. The team he's on now is built to make you have to guard him one on one, same with the Heat using Bosh & Battier at the 4 and 5. The way to stop LeBron is by having a guy that can effectively switch onto him AND you need to cover shooters at the same time, just hard fouling him and hoping he breaks a bone isn't the way to do it. The Pistons played great team defense, but where are all these dudes that they physically put out of commission? Little as Mark Price was a riddle they couldn't solve, Nique used to light their asses up too.

 

[soulfuljah]

Won multiple titles with different teams as a player and a coach
Top 10 3 point shooter(in clutch as well

All john stockton did was pass the fukking rock and never won 1 damn title and he got in

You serious? Steve Kerr is #1 in percentage, not made field goals. I don't even believe he is cracking the top 150 in 3 pointers made. What he did as a player will NOT get him in the HOF, so you can just let that go now. And 3 years isn't enough to gauge a career. Imagine if he would have taken that Knick's job. He went where all the hard work was already done but I digress.

And John Stockton is considered by most to be one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game. How old are you? Apparently you are too young to realize that the Bull's kept plenty hall of famers from getting rings in the 90s.

 

[Dark is the night]

You serious? Steve Kerr is #1 in percentage, not made field goals. I don't even believe he is cracking the top 150 in 3 pointers made. What he did as a player will NOT get him in the HOF, so you can just let that go now. And 3 years isn't enough to gauge a career. Imagine if he would have taken that Knick's job. He went where all the hard work was already done but I digress.

And John Stockton is considered by most to be one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game. How old are you? Apparently you are too young to realize that the Bull's kept plenty hall of famers from getting rings in the 90s.

I aint say he was making it this year, but its an eventuality, just like doc rivers is.

 

[franknitty711]

Zeke sounds a little bitter but whatever.

Once the playoffs start we will start seeing more games slow down and become more physical. It happens every year.

These new cats are making a ridiculous amount of money. The games are not played as hard as they should be in my opinion until playoff time.

 

[street heat]

Boozer shooting mid-ranges, and Okur standing 24 feet from the rim

those playoff losses to the jazz hurt man. people stay shyttin on my man tmac but that was a tough matchup for them

 

[Gravity]

That same Sonics team today would be a lot like the Clippers, who are honestly a throwback team in how they have two interior bigs, but nobody really believes they can win it all because of spacing issues.

Spacing issues aren't why people don't believe in the Clips. If it was about spacing issues they would've already broken this team up. The reason that people don't have faith in the Clips is because of Blake and Paul to a lesser extent.

I think the zone is really more to blame for how the game is played today more than anything else.

So the game hasn't really advanced it's just been engineered? The zone is a gimmick/junk defense btw. They put the shyt in to help globalize rhe game and lighten the players. The rest of the post isn't directed towards you.

Zeke basically echoed what a lot of people have been saying for the last few years. I don't even know why people argue against the point of view. They've engineered the game to make it more simplified, softer, and perimeter oriented. It's not that this is the most effective way to play the game of basketball, it's just thought to be more entertaining and fan-friendly.

 

[duckbutta]

He doesn't need space as much as he needs his PF to be an effective shooter, that is why it never worked with David Lee despite him being a 20/10 big, because he couldn't shoot. Dray's down year in shooting and them not running PnR is where the problems have been for him this season, there's less need to close out hard on Dray or devote as much attention to him.




Being physical isn't the way to stop LeBron, and if the Bad Boy Piston's couldn't hurt Jordan how are they going to hurt a guy that's 60lbs heavier than him? I mean, the Pistons didn't kill Charles Barkley either and he was living in the lane against them without any type of three point shooting around him to keep them honest. LeBron can steamroll his way to the rim because he's been playing with shooters at PF for the last 7 years of his career, if you removed the shooting he wouldn't be able to drive as effectively right now. The team he's on now is built to make you have to guard him one on one, same with the Heat using Bosh & Battier at the 4 and 5. The way to stop LeBron is by having a guy that can effectively switch onto him AND you need to cover shooters at the same time, just hard fouling him and hoping he breaks a bone isn't the way to do it. The Pistons played great team defense, but where are all these dudes that they physically put out of commission? Little as Mark Price was a riddle they couldn't solve, Nique used to light their asses up too.

I'm talking about something like this


Pippen goes for a layup and Rodman just jumps right over his back, slaps him in the face, and then finishes it off by shoving him in the front row. Who is fouling bron like that now?

I'm talking about something like this


First clip is Isiah going right around Jordan's neck in mid air. Who is fouling bron like that now?
At :30...when dude tried to set a screen and dude from the pistons just tossed him to the ground and dude slid out of bounds...who is fouling bron like that now?

At :36...when Lambeer just jumps in the air and clotheslines larry bird into the ground...who is fouling bron like that now?

At :50...when the pistons just flat out squares up with the other team and Zeke comes from behind and JUMPS ON DUDES BACK ...who is squaring up on the floor with bron while a teammate jumps on his back now?

At 1:10...where the screen legit has the dude ...and they got a damn coach out there cradling his head...who is setting screens like that on bron now?

At 1:12...where Lambeer and I think Mahorn...just slam who i think nique right into the ground...and this is just cause you can see intent with Lambeer...you can see his shoulders and arm swing all the way through on the push...what to bigs are slamming bron into the floor like this now?

At 1:50...where Lambeer just straight up punches some white dude right in the face...and then puts his hands back up like he did nothing...who is punching bron like that now when he gets to the lane?



All of that and we not even 2 minutes into a 4 minute clip

All of that and I never mentioned how in some of these dudes are actually FIGHTING...it's actually people squaring up and throwing punches...when was the last time you saw two dudes in the nba square up and punch each other? Because in these clips you can see mulitple players on teams fighting all at the same time...

Your steph curry draymond green point doesn't make much sense to me cause teams have had the most success against the warriors by just ignoring draymond on the offensive end and just letting him shoot and miss uncontested 3's...so i don't get your point of closing out on draymond when none of the good defenisve teams do that...cause he is not a consistent enough shooter for anyone to worry about closing out on...in fact only the atrocious defensive teams...like the blazers tonight...who somehow stupidly doubled draymond and left curry open to shoot wide open 3...do this...

Your David Lee Steph Curry comparing is extremely disingenuous...it does not account for the year klay only started 29 games as a rookie...i am sure not having a great shooter at the 2 guard spot had something to do with steph ineffectiveness...it does not account for the two years klay spent being unable to dribble and averaging less than 1.5 free throws a game...i am sure that has something to do with steph ineffectiveness...it does not account for stephs loss 11-12 season where he didn't even play 30 games...i am sure that had something to do with his effectiveness...these are all things that had very little to nothing to do with david lee...yet david lee was the starter during these times...

Funny thing about David Lee though...they couldn't close out the cavs until they put him in the game...and an even funnier thing about david lee...is that when they got rid of him and played the cavs again the next year...they lost in 7 instead of winning in 6...which is what they did with david lee

Spurs signed David Lee and they have the second best record in basketball...they just crushed the second best team in the east by what...20 or 30 points? Didn't they already crush the Warriors this year...after signing David Lee

 

[ISO]

Nikkas confusing physicality with actual lockdown strong defensive play...

Bu bu Dominique Wilkins got clothes lined he still dropped 30.

Bu bu Pippen got slapped and pushed into the first row he still put up great numbers against Detroit in that '91 series.

I've seen LeBron dunk on Serge Ibaka while being elbowed in the face and coughing up blood, and ones being wrapped by grown men around the shoulders, and ones crashing into the first row camera crews and cutting his head open.

You beat LeBron by zoning him out and throwing multiple defenders at him, closing out his passing lanes making him indecisive and forcing him to shoot jumpers out of rhythm, you must limit his transition opportunities.

 

[Mr. McDowell]

That game in Chicago on Monday, Steve Clifford just let Jimmy Butler fricassee Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Nic Batum into ground beef. The Bulls have no shooters worth a damn on their roster, Butler is going off on you, you can't send a double team once? That shyt didn't make any sense.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Paul George in the second half took that shyt personally and was guarding Klay hard as fukk, it didn't matter. Players are much much better shooters than we had 20-25 years ago. The game is never going back to the days of 83-85 scores. Sick of these dudes repeating the same outdated tired ass viewpoints

Dude, the '80s was the highest scoring era ever.

In terms of overall talent, the Bulls may be the overrated team in sports history #MJdaGoat
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Because THEY HAD JORDAN

If I have one mission on the coli it will be to kill the notion that Jordan had a great supporting cast relative to other champions#MJdaGoat

This is what I've been telling nikkaz forever.

Jordan is the only person who would've won 6 chips with those squads

Scottie Pippen
Steve Kerr
Charles Oakley
Ron Harper
Toni Kukoc
Horace Grant
Luc Longley
John paxson
Dennis Rodman

Atleast half of them are hall of famers

LMAO, literally only 2 of those people are hall of famers.

Steve Kerr averaged 6 pts a game and 1 ast
Charles Oakley averaged 9 pts and 9 rebs per game
Ron Harper averaged 14pts 4reb & 4ast pg
Kukoc averaged 11pts 4reb & 4ast
Horace Grant averaged 11pts 8reb & 2ast
Luc Longley averaged 7pts & 5reb
John Paxson averaged 7pts & 3ast

Like seriously NONE of those people are going to the hall of fame.

Like only a few of them ever made an all-star team, none of them while they played with Jordan.

And even Pippen was made by Jordan, he started out as a scrub averaging 7pts a game as a rookie

Yall better listen when these legends tell you something.
You had dumb ass kids shytting on Big o last year, he told yall curry wasn't shyt and LeBron and Kyrie proved him right.
Now Zeke is telling you, you shoud listen

Dude, Golden State was gonna beat the Cavs even worst than they did last year until the refs stole the chip from them in games 5 & 6

Pippen
Rodman
Oakley
Kerr

Not to mention the goat coach in uncle phil

Phil LITERALLY has all of his titles because of Jordan. Jordan won those titles in the '90s and Jordan is the only reason that Shaq & Kobe let him coach them in L.A.

Dude's the most overrated human being in the history of sports

pippen and rodman weren't great now

Rodman wasn't on the first 3 peat teams.

And Pippen wasn't great until Jordan made him great

sick of thes old heads back in my day

jeff ruland was averaging 22 points and 12 boards back in the 80s

Jeff Ruland was good.

He averaged 17 & 10 for a career and shot well over 50%

Just because he was White doesn't mean he sucked

Would he avg 22 and 12 in this day and age?

All I'm saying is these old cats talk like their world war two vets who fought on the front lines and the active NBA is some Falkland war type ish

In comparison to the soft ass NBA today, it was.

No, he said all of jordans bulls teammates were scrubs

And half of them will be in the hof you dumb bytch, pippen and rodman are already there and kerr is a shoe in and if john stockton can get in, so can oak

So why dont you get out the thread hoe?

LMAO, John Stockton's the 3rd greatest point guard in history.

Dude has more assists and steals than anyone in history and shot over 50% from the field

Dude was on the Dream Team

Dude made 11 all-star teams!!!

"In terms of overall talent, the Bulls may be the overrated team in sports history #MJdaGoat"

Didnt say shyt about 90s only you stupid little test tube baby

And if cheryl miller and that piece of shyt pedophile karl malone fukking got in, oak will too

Cheryl Miller was the greatest women's player ever

And Karl Malone was averaging 30pts a game in his prime

Oh shyt, I just realized you're a troll

I aint say he was making it this year, but its an eventuality, just like doc rivers is.

 

[choppybeats]

Only sport i watch is nfl and that stinks
Nba stinks worse
Difficult to watch sports
Muther fukkers turn to womens mma and watch that and say those bytches are fukkable. Ugh bad case of man face fukk that

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm talking about something like this


Pippen goes for a layup and Rodman just jumps right over his back, slaps him in the face, and then finishes it off by shoving him in the front row. Who is fouling bron like that now?

I'm talking about something like this


First clip is Isiah going right around Jordan's neck in mid air. Who is fouling bron like that now?
At :30...when dude tried to set a screen and dude from the pistons just tossed him to the ground and dude slid out of bounds...who is fouling bron like that now?

At :36...when Lambeer just jumps in the air and clotheslines larry bird into the ground...who is fouling bron like that now?

At :50...when the pistons just flat out squares up with the other team and Zeke comes from behind and JUMPS ON DUDES BACK ...who is squaring up on the floor with bron while a teammate jumps on his back now?

At 1:10...where the screen legit has the dude ...and they got a damn coach out there cradling his head...who is setting screens like that on bron now?

At 1:12...where Lambeer and I think Mahorn...just slam who i think nique right into the ground...and this is just cause you can see intent with Lambeer...you can see his shoulders and arm swing all the way through on the push...what to bigs are slamming bron into the floor like this now?

At 1:50...where Lambeer just straight up punches some white dude right in the face...and then puts his hands back up like he did nothing...who is punching bron like that now when he gets to the lane?



All of that and we not even 2 minutes into a 4 minute clip

All of that and I never mentioned how in some of these dudes are actually FIGHTING...it's actually people squaring up and throwing punches...when was the last time you saw two dudes in the nba square up and punch each other? Because in these clips you can see mulitple players on teams fighting all at the same

What the hell does any of that have to do with basketball though? Those guys still got up and kept playing the game.

Act like the skinny little ballets of the 1980s could play through Bad Boy shyt, but a 270lb former All-State football player like Lebron with bionic injury-immune limbs would suddenly get weak in the knees.

 

[OG Talk]

#3s

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Didn't 225lb James Worthy light the Bad Boy Pistons up for 22-7-4 on 49% shooting and win Finals MVP? Then came back for 26-4-4 on 48% shooting in the Finals against them the next year? But where they couldn't stop Worthy, they'd stop Lebron because...?

215lb Jerome Kersey put up 19 and 7 on 47% shooting the year after that, and he probably wasn't as good as 11th-grade Lebron.

200lb Chris Mullin at SF popping off for 26, 27, 37, 26, 21, 26, 33, 32 in his eight games against the Bad Boys from 1989 to 1993.

230lb Tom chambers got 26, 24, 18, 27, 27, 25, 20 in seven straight games against the Pistons in 1988-1991.

226lb Dominique Wilkins gets thrown like in that video, still gets 38, 32, and 29 in three straight games in 1991.

Old-ass 205lb Bernard King hung 26, 30, and 24 on them in three straight games in 1990-91. Back in 1988 when he was younger he put 37 on them once.



I could keep going, the skinny frail-ass small forwards of the 1980s and early 1990s stayed putting up numbers on the Bad Boy Pistons, but they'd shut down Lebron because...punches?

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

look at this whole video bruh. THESE NEW nikkaS STINK!

Yes they do stink. Guess what? Them dudes back then stink too! The only glaring difference IMO is the physical nature, dudes were allowed to get away with much more, but superstars got superstar calls back then too, i.e. favortism.