Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[Big Boss]

Yeah dudes don't understand that the 3 was looked at as a bad shot back then and wasn't considered a true weapon. Players and caoches thought of it was a low percentage shot and if you shot it it had to be in the flow of the offense.

Now as days dudes shoot 3s on a 3-1 break. Or shoot it with 18 seconds left in the shot clock.

The influence of the college game shooting threes (and the high volume of threes) began to influence the pros in later years IMO.

But we all know college and high school always eventually influences the pro leagues. Just look at spread offenses going from high school to college to the pros. Or heavy leaning on the passing game.

Yea that's why reggie miller stood out

 

[superunknown23]

Yeah dudes don't understand that the 3 was looked at as a bad shot back then and wasn't considered a true weapon. Players and caoches thought of it was a low percentage shot and if you shot it it had to be in the flow of the offense.

Now as days dudes shoot 3s on a 3-1 break. Or shoot it with 18 seconds left in the shot clock.

The influence of the college game shooting threes (and the high volume of threes) began to influence the pros in later years IMO.

But we all know college and high school always eventually influences the pro leagues. Just look at spread offenses going from high school to college to the pros. Or heavy leaning on the passing game.

Larry Bird took less than 2 threes per game in his career

 

[threattonature]

Way too many trolls in this forum now to even have a basketball discussion with half the posts being dudes saying stupid shyt for attention.

It's crazy to me how so many of these dudes overlook the differences in today's game compared to 80s and 90s ball. For one the offenses are a lot more complicated. Nowhere as many isos so it's much harder to double team like that because you're not exactly sure where they'll be catching the ball at or when. Way more actions on individual offensive sets to get guys open. Like for a team like the Warriors if you if Steph was hot and teams start doubling him then they would just take him off the ball and run him off screens to free him up. Then you add in Warriors leveraging if you double him off the ball into back cuts for easy layups and it's nowhere as simple as saying to double someone.

The other big key is that so many of today's scorers are more versatile than back in the day. You have a lot more guys that can not only shoot but also attack off the dribble. Combine that with more teams putting way more of an emphasis on three point shooting and you risk getting burned by double teaming which then causes the lane to be way more open.

Now there are some instances of flat out bad individual defense like Monta against Klay when he went off for 60 but there has always been bad defenders in the NBA. I just think it's way more difficult to double someone in today's NBA and crazy to simplify it and make a statement about today's NBA based off how many 50 point games there are. It's basically a pick your poison prospect and in the process of stopping a 50 point game you're probably going to set up a few of the teammates to have 30 point games.

 

[threattonature]

Yeah dudes don't understand that the 3 was looked at as a bad shot back then and wasn't considered a true weapon. Players and caoches thought of it was a low percentage shot and if you shot it it had to be in the flow of the offense.

Now as days dudes shoot 3s on a 3-1 break. Or shoot it with 18 seconds left in the shot clock.

The influence of the college game shooting threes (and the high volume of threes) began to influence the pros in later years IMO.

But we all know college and high school always eventually influences the pro leagues. Just look at spread offenses going from high school to college to the pros. Or heavy leaning on the passing game.

I think the focus on shooting came from USA getting their ass beat in international ball for a few years in a row in part due to a large number of the best players not being the best of players. That lead to the NBA changing the rules to try and encourage more three point shooting and player movement and to take some of the physicality out of the game. Combine that with the Seven Seconds or Less Suns success adn more teams starting trying to copy that formula as they saw the benefit of having shooting to spread the floor out.

 

[Dark is the night]

2 of them are
And Rodman is in the HoF for essentially being the greatest role player ever.

Nobody's trying to build around Dennis Rodman

Rodman was never meant to be no damm franchise, he was there to snatch boards and block the inside and he did that shyt alot better than tristan thomas, who for some reason thinks he deserves the max

 

[Remote]

All y'all young kids stay mad but Thomas spit straight facts

 

[Originalman]

I think the focus on shooting came from USA getting their ass beat in international ball for a few years in a row in part due to a large number of the best players not being the best of players. That lead to the NBA changing the rules to try and encourage more three point shooting and player movement and to take some of the physicality out of the game. Combine that with the Seven Seconds or Less Suns success adn more teams starting trying to copy that formula as they saw the benefit of having shooting to spread the floor out.

I mentioned earlier on here that the emphasis on shooting threes came as the league reduced certain rules like illegal defense. There was a time that no more than 3 players could be above the 3 point line. One of the first teams I saw do this (have 4 players outside the 3 line) on a consistent basis was the Barkley sun's and the 93 - 94 rockets.

The zone defense which forces teams to pass more, 5 second count which hurts posting up, lack of fouls called when posting up and fouls called more on penetration and when players are in the triple threat has put a more emphasis on shooting. But it makes since if you eliminate posting up the only options left are driving and shooting.

Then you had teams like the 91 Lakers and those isiah championship pistons who had their PF become stretch 4s to give the guards room in the paint. Since both teams did not have dominant big men.

Actually if you go back to those pistons teams they were the first teams to win multiple titles with without a dominant big man. They were also one of the first teams to roll their PF (laimbeer at center at times and use him as a stretch 5 to shoot 3s). The pistons killed teams with speed, depth, versitial big men and length.

We look at them for their physical play on defense but actually on offense they were similar to teams of today.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

MJ personal took Pippen under his wing and developed him

Rodman is not someone you build around. He might have been out of the league quick if MJ didn't save him

nikka was avg 18-20 fukking rebounds a season... breh wasn't going ANYWHERE.. he had one job and he did it better than anyone in history.. first ballot hall of fame even with all the fukkery, drugs, hookers, and saying fukk the commish, coach and team



pippen was drafted to the bulls.. i mean what the fukk was he supposed to do.. NOT be mentored by the greatest ever? who you are mentored by doesn't suddenly make you not great. pippen was a great player period

if he was drafted by riley and was great under him, would we be saying "oh it don't count cause riley taught him shyt"

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

did I miss something in what Zeke was saying? He didn't say no one was having individual monster games back then. He was saying it just wasn't that easy as it is today. So he's not saying Klay or Steph wouldn't go off back then, but he is saying that he would have used all his fouls against them and got help from Joe D...

lets not bring facts into this

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

nikka was avg 18-20 fukking rebounds a season... breh wasn't going ANYWHERE.. he had one job and he did it better than anyone in history.. first ballot hall of fame even with all the fukkery, drugs, hookers, and saying fukk the commish, coach and team



pippen was drafted to the bulls.. i mean what the fukk was he supposed to do.. NOT be mentored by the greatest ever? who you are mentored by doesn't suddenly make you not great. pippen was a great player period

if he was drafted by riley and was great under him, would we be saying "oh it don't count cause riley taught him shyt"

So the 3rd best player on the team averaged 5 ppg and that's a super team?

#MJdaGoat

 

[Trip]

nikka was avg 18-20 fukking rebounds a season... breh wasn't going ANYWHERE.. he had one job and he did it better than anyone in history.. first ballot hall of fame even with all the fukkery, drugs, hookers, and saying fukk the commish, coach and team



pippen was drafted to the bulls.. i mean what the fukk was he supposed to do.. NOT be mentored by the greatest ever? who you are mentored by doesn't suddenly make you not great. pippen was a great player period

if he was drafted by riley and was great under him, would we be saying "oh it don't count cause riley taught him shyt"

People dont realize how insanely good Rodman was.

 

[Draje]

So great players had some great games

How the fukk is this a defense? If weaker, less physically imposing and durable players than Bron consistently put up numbers against the Pistons, why would they suddenly be able to shut down Bron?

All that physical shyt just means Bron is racking up free throws and easy buckets. He's still one of the best finishers of all time and finishes through contact like crazy

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Rodman was never meant to be no damm franchise, he was there to snatch boards and block the inside and he did that shyt alot better than tristan thomas, who for some reason thinks he deserves the max

I agree which is why he's the greatest role player ever

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

How the fukk is this a defense? If weaker, less physically imposing and durable players than Bron consistently put up numbers against the Pistons, why would they suddenly be able to shut down Bron?

All that physical shyt just means Bron is racking up free throws and easy buckets. He's still one of the best finishers of all time and finishes through contact like crazy

Who said LBJ would get shut down

He just wouldn't have cake walks to the finals

Also Lebytch might have checked into a rehab center after getting emotionally brokendown by the goat trash talkers, Bird, Mchale etc.

Didn't he see a sports psychologist after Dallas 2011

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

So the 3rd best player on the team averaged 5 ppg and that's a super team?

#MJdaGoat

Ignore the 18 rebounds that gave the team 18 more chances to score brehs