Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[mastermind]

Magic era ended the fast break. Teams stopped leaking out during shots and pretty much ended the misses shot fastbreak the lakers lived off of. I remember a late 80s article called the end of the fastbreak which talked about this. that's how long it took for
Defenses to evolve back then

the tough and gritty 80s defense.

 

[Trip]

he's in the HOF as a role player.

People recognized how GREAT he was.

Why is someone who didn't score but was elite at other things that produce wins considered s role player? You're saying it as if it's a negative when Rodman was just as important as anyone minus Jordan to the Detroit/Chicago championships

 

[mastermind]

Dantley and Jordan were getting to the line 12 times a game, Harden would be up there too.

Charles Barkley was unique, and we all know that.

Adrien Dantley was a 6'4" dude who would post up PFs in the low post, and score with ease.

Dude was a freak.

Why is someone who didn't score but was elite at other things that produce wins considered s role player? You're saying it as if it's a negative when Rodman was just as important as anyone minus Jordan to the Detroit/Chicago championships

because to win in the NBA, you need to score points.

You dont win for having most rebounds aor best defending.

Rodman was a unicorn and an amazing player, but you dont build a team around Dennis Rodman.

 

[ISO]

These type of arguments are make no sense...you telling me Porzingis is some elite rim protector...but in reality the knicks are 24th in giving up points in the paint. When you are 6th to last in the nba for giving up points in the paint...you don't have an elite rim protector...because if you did...you wouldn't be 6th to last...seems like a lot of people do a lot of finishing against the knicks in the paint every single night...

You talking about "elite rim protectors"...uh...that is like 3 to 5 guys...what about everybody else...cause you know there are more than 3 to 5 centers and power forwards in the nba...i watch every spurs game and i can assure you pau fukking gasol NEVER gets the benefit of a verticality rule...every fukking time pau gasol puts his hands up in the post on defense it is a foul

Knicks sixth to last in points in the paint with what you call an elite rim protectors but spurs are top 10 in fewest points in the paint with a guy who has spent his career being a defensive sieve huh

The Knicks defensive woes are complex it goes far beyond rim protection.

No it's not 3-5 guys search up the NBA's rim protection leaders all this info is readily available.

Pau Gasol has not spent his career being a defensive sieve only recently in the last couple of seasons has he become a liability.

80's is the worst defensive era in NBA history stop overstating physicality.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Why is someone who didn't score but was elite at other things that produce wins considered s role player? You're saying it as if it's a negative when Rodman was just as important as anyone minus Jordan to the Detroit/Chicago championships

I'd argue Scottie mattered more given he was the number two scorer and led the team in assists per game too personally

 

[NYC Rebel]

90s Knicks are better than any current team in the east besides Cleveland

No they are not.

 

[Trip]

I'd argue Scottie mattered more given he was the number two scorer and led the team in assists per game too personally

Scottie is an all time great player too so it's close. The first year all 3 were together they basically had the best team in the history of the sport.

 

[Trip]

No they are not.

Who the Raptors? Celtics?

 

[duckbutta]

The Knicks defensive woes are complex it goes far beyond rim protection.

No it's not 3-5 guys search up the NBA's rim protection leaders all this info is readily available.

Pau Gasol has not spent his career being a defensive sieve only recently in the last couple of seasons has he become a liability.

80's is the worst defensive era in NBA history stop overstating physicality.

Of course the knicks defensive problems don't have anything to do with Porzingis...they are trash everywhere on defense except him...and so while he is a very good rim protector...it is just the sheer number of shots that teams get at the rim that negate whatever percentage of shots he alters and blocks...just like the reverse is true for Pau...he is atrocious at rim protection but he is on the floor a lot with danny green and kawhi leonard...one guy the two time DPOY and one guy who is a top 20 defender in the league and so it becomes extremely difficult to get to the paint so you can finish over ease with Pau...

But that's not what you stated originally. originally you were trying to tell me that somehow that "elite rim protectors are allowing 40% at the rim" which is just a bunch of generalized bullshyt that means nothing...and we know it means nothing...because you fukked up and tossed Porzingis name out there...who has spent his career so far playing on a team that gets slaughtered in the paint every night...so really what was the point of this "elite rim protection" stuff again?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Who the Raptors? Celtics?

Raptors, yes.

Those Knicks teams couldn't score, neither could many of the teams they faced

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Nikkas confusing physicality with actual lockdown strong defensive play...

Bu bu Dominique Wilkins got clothes lined he still dropped 30.

Bu bu Pippen got slapped and pushed into the first row he still put up great numbers against Detroit in that '91 series.

I've seen LeBron dunk on Serge Ibaka while being elbowed in the face and coughing up blood, and ones being wrapped by grown men around the shoulders, and ones crashing into the first row camera crews and cutting his head open.

You beat LeBron by zoning him out and throwing multiple defenders at him, closing out his passing lanes making him indecisive and forcing him to shoot jumpers out of rhythm, you must limit his transition opportunities.

Yup, and LeBron has said as much himself, admitting his good memory gets him into trouble at times, and how the Spurs' defense on him in the '13 finals basically Jedi Mind Tricked him into thinking he was back in 2007 when he couldn't shoot.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Who the Raptors? Celtics?

The best Knicks team of the early to mid 90's was the 1992-93 team and they had the 6th worst offense in basketball. 22nd out of 27 in offensive rating. When your offense is that bad, it doesn't matter how good your defense is, you just aren't winning a championship. Period.

 

[NormanConnors]

I meant Walt Frazier

 

[Trip]

The best Knicks team of the early to mid 90's was the 1992-93 team and they had the 6th worst offense in basketball. 22nd out of 27 in offensive rating. When your offense is that bad, it doesn't matter how good your defense is, you just aren't winning a championship. Period.

Who said anything about championships? They'd be the second best team in the current eastern conference. Their defense under Riley and JVG was never worse than like 4th. And yeah they were better than the current version of the Toronto Raptors.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So great players had some great games

How the fukk is this a defense? If weaker, less physically imposing and durable players than Bron consistently put up numbers against the Pistons, why would they suddenly be able to shut down Bron?

All that physical shyt just means Bron is racking up free throws and easy buckets. He's still one of the best finishers of all time and finishes through contact like crazy

Why didn't the Pistons just jump them in the middle of the court like they'd do Lebron if he played in the 80's?

Exactly. Guys who were way smaller than Lebron and inferior to him in every way were already putting up big numbers over and over and over...yet Lebron wouldn't put up HUGE numbers because....punches?

Breh imagine Dominque playing in this era

Imagine Nique been able to give you a hesi out of a triple threat from the 3 point line... and just take off into the lane and you just got to let him go cause if you touch him it's a foul...your big man can't really contest his shot otherwise he going to be on the bench in 23 seconds with 2 fouls...

Nique would be a 20 ppg scorer on nothing but dunks... i feel like he would dunk the ball damn near every time...

I feel like 40 games into the season he would have 800 shot attempts and 650 of them would be dunks

He wasn't no triple threat from the three-point line because he didn't have range out there, and it's much harder to drive today against the zone since it was then. 'Nique was like a much smaller Lebron without nearly the shot, passing, ballhandling skills and a lower bball IQ.

Imagine tall ass Magic Johnson in this era where guards are getting rebounds unchallenged and passing lanes are more open than ever.

Showtime Lakers in 2016

Showtime Lakers were built around easy fast breaks, which already got cut off 20 years ago. He wouldn't rebound well as a point guard because his lack of athleticism would offset his extra height, though he'd still get boards if he stayed closer to the basket. And his complete lack of a three and perimeter defense would hurt him like hell. Plus his handle would be trash compared to today's point guards. If you put Magic in today's era, with the same athleticism and same skills, he'd be like a smarter Boris Diaw with better passing. I have him as one of my top five ever because of what he did in his era, but you really would have to change his role in this era, because his skills would be a mismatch.

If Bron's athleticism totally falls off around 35-36 and he loses the lift for his shot too, we might get to see what Magic would have looked like.