Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[NYC Rebel]

The 03-04 Pistons vs Pacers series was the final straw, game 6 ended in a 69 to 65 win for the Pistons

Cats want to tell me they enjoyed the Davis boys vs Anthony Mason and Oak in a low post struggle ball battles.



Do you remember All Star Antonio Davis post moves?

 

[YaBoy]

Bingo. The big fella went and broke the game in the eyes of the league in the 2001 finals when he saw the defensive player of the year was gonna check him and instead of getting all , he got all and averaged 33-15-5 with 3.4 blocks per game on 57% shooting. "They changed the game because of me. Other teams whine and cry because of me. Being the best is too easy for me."

Great vid

3 players being able to defend is 10x more effective than handchecking. nikkas were really playing in-game 1 on 1 back in the day, talking about its too easy now. I saw Zeke in that vid too, getting the whole right half of the court to dance on the defender

 

[Trip]

You PPG guys are something else.

The 1996 Bulls had THREE OF THE FIVE guys on the All-Defensive 1st team. You have 60% of the best defenders in the league on one squad, with your other two starters a 6'6" point guard and a 7'1" center, then your first guy off the bench a 6'10" forward, and you're dominating teams right off the bat without a lot of points.

Talking about the ppg of Jordan's supporting cast is meaningless. There were four 1st-ballot Hall of Famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Jackson) working together, the perfect compliment to a volume scorer. You didn't need guys who stole shots from Jordan, you needed setup guys (which Pippen and Harper did ably) some shooters to keep it open (Kerr and Kukoc were the best-shooting guard and best-shooting big man in the entire NBA), rebounders (Rodman/Pippen/Jordan were all the best rebounders in the NBA at their positions, and Longley/Kukoc and most of the bench pulled boards too), and an absolutely suffocating defense.

The 1996-1998 Bulls were a fantastic supporting cast, perfectly suited to Jordan and far better than the teams they played against. They had the best defense, rebounding, shooters, and coaching in the league, with a perfect hole in volume scoring to be filled by Jordan.

I agree that 1991-1993, it was only a "good" supporting cast. (Look at their 55 wins and near-Finals appearance without Jordan in 1994.) But by 1996, the team was perfect.

Accurate. Jordan's volume scoring was also super efficient which easily makes him the best 2 guard ever regardless of era.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Great vid

3 players being able to defend is 10x more effective than handchecking. nikkas were really playing in-game 1 on 1 back in the day, talking about its too easy now. I saw Zeke in that vid too, getting the whole right half of the court to dance on the defender

Not being allowed to double Shaq or Jordan until the ball was in their hands, meanwhile the bulls and Spurs are guarding LeBron in that video by doubling the birdman off the ball in the paint and choking off passing lanes, which forced a bad shot to be taken. Imagine smaller and more agile guards like Wade or bean or Vince or McGrady being allowed to do that in their prime how quickly they could get into the paint. How badly would we see Curry and Kyrie embarsss their defenders without zones?

 

[YaBoy]

Not being allowed to double Shaq or Jordan until the ball was in their hands, meanwhile the bulls and Spurs are guarding LeBron in that video by doubling the birdman off the ball in the paint and choking off passing lanes, which forced a bad shot to be taken. Imagine smaller and more agile guards like Wade or bean or Vince or McGrady being allowed to do that in their prime how quickly they could get into the paint. How badly would we see Curry and Kyrie embarsss their defenders without zones?

The graveyard of ankles if Kyrie could go 1 on 1

The ridiculousness of having to guard Durant's 7 foot ass with no help D

Imagine if Westbrook only had to beat one defender. It'd be a layup line

 

[Urethra Franklin]

The graveyard of ankles if Kyrie could go 1 on 1

The ridiculousness of having to guard Durant's 7 foot ass with no help D

Imagine if Westbrook only had to beat one defender. It'd be a layup line

Just like it was for Iverson?

 

[YaBoy]

Just like it was for Iverson?

Iverson wish he was as explosive at the rim as Westbrook

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bingo. The big fella went and broke the game in the eyes of the league in the 2001 finals when he saw the defensive player of the year was gonna check him and instead of getting all , he got all and averaged 33-15-5 with 3.4 blocks per game on 57% shooting. "They changed the game because of me. Other teams whine and cry because of me. Being the best is too easy for me."

All that is true, but the refs partly did it by letting Shaq get away with so much. I have one play burned into my mind.

Shaq, dribbling with his right, slams his body with a lowered shoulder into a fully stationary, well positioned Mutumbo with his left. Mutumbo gets knocked back about a foot and his feet actually leave the ground but he maintains position.

[My thought: "Wait, Shaq just slammed directly into a planted player with his entire body and knocked him back. Isn't that an offensive foul?"]

Shaq, seeing that Mutombo is still in position, keeps dribbling and slams into Mutumbo again. Again, he is knocked back but maintains position.

["Wait, he did it again? That's a offensive foul! You can't just run straight into the middle of a guy who is standing still in defensive position in front of you!"]

Shaq, now close enough to the basket to make his move, picks up the dribble with both hands and pivots on his forward foot, swinging his body around and catching Mutumbo full across the side of the head with his elbow. Foul called on Mutumbo.

[""]

Just like it was for Iverson?

Iverson could blow by his guy, but he was NOT the finisher at the rim that a lot of the current guards are.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

All that is true, but the refs partly did it by letting Shaq get away with so much. I have one play burned into my mind.

Shaq, dribbling with his right, slams his body with a lowered shoulder into a fully stationary, well positioned Mutumbo with his left. Mutumbo gets knocked back about a foot and his feet actually leave the ground but he maintains position.

[My thought: "Wait, Shaq just slammed directly into a planted player with his entire body and knocked him back. Isn't that an offensive foul?"]

Shaq, seeing that Mutombo is still in position, keeps dribbling and slams into Mutumbo again. Again, he is knocked back but maintains position.

["Wait, he did it again? That's a offensive foul! You can't just run straight into the middle of a guy who is standing still in defensive position in front of you!"]

Shaq, now close enough to the basket to make his move, picks up the dribble with both hands and pivots on his forward foot, swinging his body around and catching Mutumbo full across the side of the head with his elbow. Foul called on Mutumbo.

[""]

Yeah I remember the freeze frame seeing Dikembe actually off the ground . The refs didn't really protect Shaq, but they kinda were forced to let him get away with a lot too. Hard to officiate someone that big and strong. At that point he probably had 80 pounds on Dikembe.
I don't want to think about how best up and sore he felt after games that series. shyt was hard to watch. He just got pummeled all game long.

Iverson wish he was as explosive at the rim as Westbrook

Russ probably plays 50-60 pounds heavier than AI did. It's gonna be a lot easier for him.

 

[You Win Perfect]

How the fukk can you be overrated when you dominated a whole decade and won 6/10 nba titles

Do you nikkas even watch ball?

most these dudes in these topics wasn't even born or old enough to even comment on that era

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No they are not.

Yes they are

FoH

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

You PPG guys are something else.

The 1996 Bulls had THREE OF THE FIVE guys on the All-Defensive 1st team. You have 60% of the best defenders in the league on one squad, with your other two starters a 6'6" point guard and a 7'1" center, then your first guy off the bench a 6'10" forward, and you're dominating teams right off the bat without a lot of points.

Talking about the ppg of Jordan's supporting cast is meaningless. There were four 1st-ballot Hall of Famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Jackson) working together, the perfect compliment to a volume scorer. You didn't need guys who stole shots from Jordan, you needed setup guys (which Pippen and Harper did ably) some shooters to keep it open (Kerr and Kukoc were the best-shooting guard and best-shooting big man in the entire NBA), rebounders (Rodman/Pippen/Jordan were all the best rebounders in the NBA at their positions, and Longley/Kukoc and most of the bench pulled boards too), and an absolutely suffocating defense.

The 1996-1998 Bulls were a fantastic supporting cast, perfectly suited to Jordan and far better than the teams they played against. They had the best defense, rebounding, shooters, and coaching in the league, with a perfect hole in volume scoring to be filled by Jordan.

I agree that 1991-1993, it was only a "good" supporting cast. (Look at their 55 wins and near-Finals appearance without Jordan in 1994.) But by 1996, the team was perfect.

And they were a .500 team the year after

Player for player the 90s bulls were not that good compared to other championship teams. This is a fact..

PPG is meaningless?????????


You fukking Lebron peasants will say anything

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

It's literally the same Lebron peasants how come into these every time to shyt on the 90s/80s NBA

Then it's the same nikkas that talk about how talented MJ's supporting cast was

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

And oh look the zone defense argument has come back

These the same nikkas taking Lowry over Kidd

These the same nikkas saying Draymond would give Kareem problems

I needed a good laugh after work fellas .

 

[NYC Rebel]

Yes they are

FoH

Just because you enjoy teams that endured shytty scoring drought doesn't mean everyone else has to believe those teams are good