Isiah Thomas: I'm from the westside of Chicago I dont hide from nobody.

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There's levels. Jordan was in the league since 85'. What was doing against those Celtics and Pistons teams then?
What is Jordan playoff records against those 2 teams?

There's levels. Their prime were the 80s. Jordan prime were the 90s. Other than the Dream, doing that era teams were alil soft. The league got soft for the most part. LAimbeer and Parrish had a fight on the court and neither got suspended. Different eras

I've said it before. The Pistons run from 87-90 was better than either Bulls 3Peat run. It just was. That's no knock on Jordan because he's the true GOAT but it was
Isiah is one of the greatest players in the history of the league. He got a good coach, scaled his game down a bit to play balanced team ball,but he was that dude when it counted. Could never take anything away from what he accomplished.

But the league getting "soft" had nothing to do with Jordan, especially since his team SWEPT the bad boys when the league was "still tough", according to you. After getting over the Pistons hump.....the toughest teams he faced in his double 3 peat run weren't the finals matchups it was the thugged out / gooned up Knicks ...with Mase,Oak,Xman, Derek (handcheck) Harper,and Starks . (Pat Riley complained about the bad boys when he coached the lakers, then used physical play and goons as Knicks coach)

Soft?

Try Again

with all due respect, dudes are trying to revise history to fit whatever point you're pushing in these debates, but Pepperidge Farm remembers !
 

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Dont mean they cant snap though, cant underestimate

No doubt. Zeke wasnt' talking about stuff like that though. He was pushing this idea that just because you are from a certain area that you can't be soft or do soft shyt. There are weak nikkas everywhere.
 

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Zeke leaving the court the way he did after Jordan beat his team is the ultimate "I"m going home and taking my ball too" move:mjlol:
 

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When the Pistons beat the Bulls the year before, MJ fought back tears and stood in center of court to dap up the Pistons.

Zeke is a clown for real.
This is where i sympathize with Jordan at. They lost 3 years in a row and Jordan man'd up and shook all of their hands. He just wanted the same respect reciprocated. I get zeke saying what happened with Boston etc but Jordan was literally the face of the league even with losing and he still shook their hands. If it was Jordan just walking off then I get it but it's only fitting you give what you get.

So all the juelzing Isiah doing now is cool but he coincidently leaving this part of the story out
 

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:patrice: Somethin about him.... i feel like that big grin would turn into a dead-eyed grimace real quick and hed slap the fukk out of you if you came at him sideways... on some Gustavo Fring


it is well known in tha chi amongst the hoopers back then.
Zeke was cake and hid behind his brother.

stop with the bullshyt.


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Goofballs like Malone thought he was cool with MJ until MJ told him right before 2 of the most crucial free throws in Malone's career

"Mailman don't deliver on Sundays"

Clank, Clank

Jordan got in his head and Utah lost the finals
I don't think mj told him that

I think pippen was the one who actually said that too him
 

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Lebron get called out for not retaliating. Get called a bytch. But MJ played in the era where u can throw hands and chose not to. every video I see is clutching and grabbing no fisticuffs on his part at all.


you just watching select clips


mike beat up every nikka who tried him.
so I know nikkaz is talking but cognitively never saw none of this shyt from thr beginning.
let alone enough of what really happened.
plus i am.not believe'n nikkaz online talking because I know they were homebody than a motherfukker. As real talk, I don't know who they fukk they are.
so how are they so out in the street tho.

nikkaz was homebodies and be trying to talk in tha chi.
I know tons of people who front but i know who i saw in the scene and who was not.

nikkaz don't even have no stories and can't even tell you who was the promoter or what dj rocked.

so I know not to listen to never was face ass nikkaz on this.

nikkaz bandwagon and late as fukk.
like people saying they had Jordan i's but saying they cost a hundo.
nuffin but a sckraight up flaug'n ass lie..




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There's levels. Jordan was in the league since 85'. What was doing against those Celtics and Pistons teams then?
What is Jordan playoff records against those 2 teams?

There's levels. Their prime were the 80s. Jordan prime were the 90s. Other than the Dream, doing that era teams were alil soft. The league got soft for the most part. LAimbeer and Parrish had a fight on the court and neither got suspended. Different eras

I've said it before. The Pistons run from 87-90 was better than either Bulls 3Peat run. It just was. That's no knock on Jordan because he's the true GOAT but it was


stop lying to yourself.
the pistons run was only good because they used laimbeer's idea he was the biggest most pure white guy out with a background. As he had this thing about him because his pops was a somebody in the expensive segregated illinois burbs and laimbeer thought in his head. He was the greatest white boy on earth because of this. Which is why laimbeer acts in the Bridgeport meets suburban manner.
in which he is welled in.
So, laimbeer used that privileged self confidence ideal and attitude. to his benefit to neutralize the idea of bird being this great white mid atlantic pr'd thing. Plus neutralized the mental and referee in the pocket aspect of the Celtics play. Which was also a huge part of the kc led celts game.
plus and how they, or the celts would typically beat you. which was by mentally beating you.
in every regard from visual/physical cues, to mental cognitive mini real time gamesmanship as well.
So Yes the part that was brilliant.
was the pistons beat the black coach kc jones led celts at the socalled parochial vs public school game mental mind game.
that played out in weird dynamics team to team in the pros.
namely the celts always generally had this advantage and it always came into play in outcome of games versus any team. The pistons were the first to just play heads up play. similar to the celts in the mind game and parochial vs public regard.
In that is how or why i believe the pistons played the bulla so dirty and anyone So dirty. Imo, the pistons as a unit and team mantra felt...that at the time.
the only way they would win.
was if they had to go to the same lengths, they did to beat the Celts.

when in reality the pistons were dishing out and countering.
exactly the same style and systemic mental/physical intimidation brand of play of the celtics. So imo the pistons solving the full puzzle of the celts. Plus beating them at their own mind games.
is exactly why the pistons were the way they were. Plus, the pistons made it their time.
to mostly anyone paying attention then. When in reality the Celtics were on a time. Where everything was literally theirs and others were renting space. So the pistons beating the celts made them the way they were. Which in result made them act that way to the bulls. As the pistons knew they were on from beating the celts at the mini games. Others in the league were not going to win at.
which is why they hated mj because mj had figured out completely understaffed with just and only john paxson. What to do to contest the celts. Plus how to damn near beat them understaffed and as a lone wolf. Which was a threat to the whole league. As the league was built off of stockpiling assets in the red Auerbach style of league dominance. That still existed in that era. Mj had changed that dynamic and the pistons were trying to close the window on the celts. PLUs anyone in contention to them.
of which the bulls had ramped from getting owned by the Cavs at the time via the shot. Which for mj and the bulls was a warning shot to any and everyone. Mj could figure out singlehandidly under the most duress. With no odds of winning at all to actually win.

the pistons were shook of that. As they knew, scouted and formulated Jordan rules. To eliminate the dynamic mj could change the league mantras and scenarios. Regardless of the past and what occurred atypically on tgr NBA hardwood. Which was an immediate threat to the pistons. As the pistons were one in the same with the bulls. As far as figuring out how to best a nemesis.
, without any real assets on paper.
that would typically illicit a change of the guard.



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This is where i sympathize with Jordan at. They lost 3 years in a row and Jordan man'd up and shook all of their hands. He just wanted the same respect reciprocated. I get zeke saying what happened with Boston etc but Jordan was literally the face of the league even with losing and he still shook their hands. If it was Jordan just walking off then I get it but it's only fitting you give what you get.

So all the juelzing Isiah doing now is cool but he coincidently leaving this part of the story out

but what also is being left out is between Michael dapping then I’m up and the pistons leaving the court Michael was in the media trashing the pistons and crying to the league

if you out here throwing salt on my squads name and saying I’m bad for basketball and don’t deserve being called a champ why would I dap you up ? :gucci:
 

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I love Zeke:yeshrug:
He did his thing on all the talking head shows yesterday. I don't like how they downplay how talented he was individually. The first true superstar from the crib in the league.
Jordan is the GOAT but the Pistons made him earn it. Respect all around.
 

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This is where i sympathize with Jordan at. They lost 3 years in a row and Jordan man'd up and shook all of their hands. He just wanted the same respect reciprocated. I get zeke saying what happened with Boston etc but Jordan was literally the face of the league even with losing and he still shook their hands. If it was Jordan just walking off then I get it but it's only fitting you give what you get.

So all the juelzing Isiah doing now is cool but he coincidently leaving this part of the story out

The part of the story getting left out is Jordan crying to the league and saying the Pistons weren't real champions and bad for the game. Why would you even want to shake hands with someone you viewed in that way? How do you expect someone you refused to acknowledge and disrespected to respect and acknowledge you? Since when is a handshake that deep to where sympathy is warranted and nikkas are still tight 3 decades later. What this comes down to, for both Mike and his followers, is that the Pistons were the only entity that didn't bow down AND they also maintain the upper hand. Guaranteed Mike isn't still mad after 30 years if the Pistons act the same way after the Bulls beat them for the 4th year in a row. That could easily be dismissed as bitterness because you dominated them. But the reality is the Pistons were the ones dominating (literally and figuratively), they were big brother and they never gave Mike the satisfaction of kissing the ring after he finally overtook them.
 

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Isiah is one of the greatest players in the history of the league. He got a good coach, scaled his game down a bit to play balanced team ball,but he was that dude when it counted. Could never take anything away from what he accomplished.

But the league getting "soft" had nothing to do with Jordan, especially since his team SWEPT the bad boys when the league was "still tough", according to you. After getting over the Pistons hump.....the toughest teams he faced in his double 3 peat run weren't the finals matchups it was the thugged out / gooned up Knicks ...with Mase,Oak,Xman, Derek (handcheck) Harper,and Starks . (Pat Riley complained about the bad boys when he coached the lakers, then used physical play and goons as Knicks coach)

Soft?

Try Again

with all due respect, dudes are trying to revise history to fit whatever point you're pushing in these debates, but Pepperidge Farm remembers !
How old were you when this was going on? Im curious, because you are speaking as if you were around to have these discussions.

pat never went to Stern and the Bulls patted themselves on the back for cleaning up the NBA
 

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If I see one more mfer compare that career underachieving choker cp3 to 2x champ and certified playoff performer isiah Thomas
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only thing they got in common is their height :pacspit:

Preach

It really is fukked up of how he was left off the Dream Team. To even read that if Stockton didn't heal from an injury that Dumars was the first in line to replace Stockton was fukked up.

Nobody wanted to play with dude mayne :to:

Let's keep it a buck...shouldnt the Coach of the Team (Chuck Daly ) took a stand fo isaiah ????

Mfz blaming MJ and magic ..like chuck had no say :mjlol:

Isiah wanted no parts of that point and that Q

How did your COACH , the man you helped win 2 titles with , that could have brought u along or at least stood up for U ??

Dodge all these bullets x Blame for the past 2 decades ??????:yeshrug::unimpressed:

THUS that the media could write the narrative that 2 black brothers stopped u from goin 2 the Olympics :stopitslime::francis::sas2::snoop:





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