"It ain't them that's killing us, it's us that's killing us" - Tupac Shakur

[inndaskKy]

I can't lie, ain't no love for the other side
Jealousy inside, make em wish I died

Pac said it in the next line he dont give a fukk about cacs either way

To be fair, that line could also be interpreted as talking about the Death Row/Bad Boy beef.

 

[SunZoo]

how are people acting like the Kendrick and Pac shyt is even remotely the same? When Kendrick was asked about the police brutality. He went to that "what about black on black crime" shyt. It's about CONTEXT. Pac shot 2 white cops in defense of a black man. Spoke on police brutality and racism consistently. In the context of him saying what he says. U can't question his motives. He spoke on all of it constantly. In his music and outside of his music. People quoting his rhymes out of context of the verse and/or the song and running with it. With everything Pac has done. There's really no mistaking his motives. What has Kendrick really done or some of these cats yall tryna compare? Pac risked his life, his freedom and his career for a black man. And consistently spoke on issues. No contest.

If you listen to white mans world and blacker the berry how in the fukk can you say the context isn't at the very least similar, if not expressing exactly the same sentiment? You getting wrapped up in comparing them as individuals instead of what the thread is actually about...which is would he be met with the same "new black" and c00n accusations for saying PRETTY MUCH THE SAME fukkING THING. The real comparison being made is between the crowd watching and chiming in from "our" era and this one.

THAT is a valid comparison, not so much their life events, but the context in which they said what they said and how people responded to it.

Just because Kendrick ain't shot no cops doesn't mean there was a reason to question his motives (his wording maybe?), but people did. They even went in on him for being engaged to a "light skin" as opposed to a dark skin woman. Picture how these same people who presumably love Pac after the fact would have reacted to his "light skins" or even him fukkin with Madonna. He would have been just as susceptible to the criticism if not even more so. And they could never acknowledge it because the majority of them love/know Pac's image rather than his essence...

 

[spliz]

If you listen to white mans world and blacker the berry how in the fukk can you say the context isn't at the very least similar, if not expressing exactly the same sentiment? You getting wrapped up in comparing them as individuals instead of what the thread is actually about...which is would he be met with the same "new black" and c00n accusations for saying PRETTY MUCH THE SAME fukkING THING. The real comparison being made is between the crowd watching and chiming in from "our" era and this one.

THAT is a valid comparison, not so much their life events, but the context in which they said what they said and how people responded to it.

Just because Kendrick ain't shot no cops doesn't mean there was a reason to question his motives (his wording maybe?), but people did. They even went in on him for being engaged to a "light skin" as opposed to a dark skin woman. Picture how these same people who presumably love Pac after the fact would have reacted to his "light skins" or even him fukkin with Madonna. He would have been just as susceptible to the criticism if not even more so. And they could never acknowledge it because the majority of them love/know Pac's image rather than his essence...

Bro. And like I said. He wouldn't be met wit the same strife. Cause there's a REASON Kendrick was met wit that. It's cause of his comments on the Trayvon and Mike Brown situation. What I'm saying is its bigger than just one song. When u step away and look at the whole picture. U make ur judgement from there. When it comes to Pac. If he had the same career. Done the same things. As Kendrick. People would be less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Comparing the specific songs is shortsighted. Cause it doesn't paint the whole picture of the man behind them. This is the point I'm trying to make. If Kendrick didn't use deflection statements with the Mike Brown and Trayvon shyt. People wouldve been more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt with his Blacker The Berry verses. If he went in detail on both ends of the spectrum like Pac did in his music. People would give him the benefit of the doubt. If he did the shyt Pac did for a black man outside of his music. Than people would give the benefit of the doubt. As I said before. U can't make a thread like this without CONTEXT. Which is something u can't ignore. Context means a lot when making an observation. That and timing. Kendricks timing wasn't good. Pac has always shown to give a fukk about both topics at hand. And addressed them accordingly.

 

[Kenny West]

Pac is #alllivesmatter

 

[SunZoo]

Bro. And like I said. He wouldn't be met wit the same strife. Cause there's a REASON Kendrick was met wit that. It's cause of his comments on the Trayvon and Mike Brown situation.

What I'm saying is its bigger than just one song. When u step away and look at the whole picture. U make ur judgement from there. When it comes to Pac. If he had the same career. Done the same things. As Kendrick. People would be less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Comparing the specific songs is shortsighted. Cause it doesn't paint the whole picture of the man behind them. This is the point I'm trying to make. If Kendrick didn't use deflection statements with the Mike Brown and Trayvon shyt. People wouldve been more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt with his Blacker The Berry verses. If he went in detail on both ends of the spectrum like Pac did in his music. People would give him the benefit of the doubt. If he did the shyt Pac did for a black man outside of his music. Than people would give the benefit of the doubt. As I said before. U can't make a thread like this without CONTEXT.

I think he would be met with worse.

Kendrick got reduced to "new black" and c00n for saying:

"I wish somebody would look in our neighborhood knowing that it's already a situation, mentally, where it's f--ked up. What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within. Don't start with just a rally, don't start from looting -- it starts from within."

If you wanna contextualize Pac's entire persona I think that opens him up for even more criticism from this social media crowd. From nikkas trying to call him soft for going to art school, to the violence on and off wax, shyt like the alleged rape, him going in on Prodigy for having sickle cell, Jacquelyn McNealy gettin shot ...all of that holds just as much negative weight as the other things do positive and would have been "tweeted" and "rebloged" and written about in general at a rate that it wasn't gonna happen in the 90's.

Now I love Pac, these aren't my opinions of him because I was never the type to just love the thug image, I fukked with Pac as a whole and understood him even when I felt like he was wrong. I'm just saying based on how these nikkas now a days think/move it would have been perceived differently.

 

[spliz]

I think he would be met with worse.

Kendrick got reduced to "new black" and c00n for saying:





If you wanna contextualize Pac's entire persona I think that opens him up for even more criticism from this social media crowd. From nikkas trying to call him soft for going to art school, to the violence on and off wax, shyt like the alleged rape, him going in on Prodigy for having sickle cell, Jacquelyn McNealy gettin shot ...all of that holds just as much negative weight as the other things do positive and would have been "tweeted" and "rebloged" and written about in general at a rate that it wasn't gonna happen in the 90's.

Now I love Pac, these aren't my opinions of him because I was never the type to just love the thug image, I fukked with Pac as a whole and understood him even when I felt like he was wrong. I'm just saying based on how these nikkas now a days think/move it would have been perceived differently.

Fam look at that quote u posted. Dude said. "If we don't respect ourselves. How do u expect them to respect us? " in a conversation about a white cop shooting down a black kid for no reason. Do u not see the ERROR in that statement? Not only is it borderline insensitive considering the topic at hand and the timing. But it's historically incorrect as well. I don't agree with people hating on him for having a lightskin girlfriend n all that. But like I said. Dude played himself. And doesn't have a history of speaking on the issues in detail from both ends of the spectrum. Nor the history of the footwork for people to be as forgiving as they would be of Pac. Pac came from a Panther background. And spoke on police brutality all thru his music and outside of it.. It's apples and oranges fam. Even till this day. When something happens when it comes to police brutality or racism. U see people posting up Pac music, lyrics and speeches all over social media addressing the issues at hand. Where's Kendrick's?

 

[SunZoo]

Exactly.....

PAC'S definition of T.H.U.G took on a more sociopolitical theme as opposed to rappers whom after Pacs death see being a Thug as just being some ignorant drug fueled savage who is just commited to fukkery

Thats NOT THUG LIFE according to Pac

It is evident in the fact that he met with his step father whom also happen to be an incarcerated Black Panther activist

Mutlula Shakur said him and Pac outlined the points program for THUG LIFE which was based not only on the Panthers socialist points program and Tupacs profound acronym of T.H.U.G. L.I.F.E

THE HATE U GAVE LITTLE INFANTS FUKK EVERYONE

THUG LIFE could have possibly been that POLITICAL PARTY that we desperately needed

Pac was trying to bring Panther politics and principles to the streets because that's what he knew growing up...even if you gonna do dirt have some code of ethics, some infrastructure or something besides what we got now...

You can call it naivete if you want but it was a noble cause...problem is nikkas were already at the stage where implimenting codes and ethics was out of the question. Which is why he said "Thug lyfe" was dead in prison because seeing how the supposed real nikkas in the game that get all the respect are the same nikkas that have no honor...them showing their hand killed that dream of organizing street gangs into a socio-political force.

 

[SunZoo]

Fam look at that quote u posted. Dude said. "If we don't respect ourselves. How do u expect them to respect us? " in a conversation about a white cop shooting down a black kid for no reason. Do u not see the ERROR in that statement? Not only is it borderline insensitive considering the topic at hand and the timing. But it's historically incorrect as well. I don't agree with people hating on him for having a lightskin girlfriend n all that. But like I said. Dude played himself. And doesn't have a history of speaking on the issues in detail from both ends of the spectrum. Nor the history of the footwork for people to be as forgiving as they would be of Pac. Pac came from a Panther background. And spoke on police brutality all thru his music and outside of it.. It's apples and oranges fam.

I saw the error in the wording but not the general sentiment.

In the article he was talking about HIS experiences with the streets and police brutality. He also said look at OUR neighborhood and the mentality...where the message got lost was when people jumped to the conclusion he was addressing black folk en masse rather than the kids like him who came up in an environment where black life isn't valued among ourselves, let alone by the police that actually gotta come pick up the bodies we lay down every other day.

I don't think it was fair to go in on him like they did for that. And I'm not really too sure how much good will Pac could have built up to keep him from facing similar criticism if not worse from THIS generation of social media activists.

 

[SirBiatch]

c00npac Shakoon?

 

[spliz]

I saw the error in the wording but not the general sentiment.

In the article he was talking about HIS experiences with the streets and police brutality. He also said look at OUR neighborhood and the mentality...where the message got lost was when people jumped to the conclusion he was addressing black folk en masse rather than the kids like him who came up in an environment where black life isn't valued among ourselves, let alone by the police that actually gotta come pick up the bodies we lay down every other day.

I don't think it was fair to go in on him like they did for that. And I'm not really too sure how much good will Pac could have built up to keep him from facing similar criticism if not worse from THIS generation of social media activists.

We may have to agree to disagree when it comes to this one broski. Lol.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Pac was trying to bring Panther politics and principles to the streets because that's what he knew growing up...even if you gonna do dirt have some code of ethics, some infrastructure or something besides what we got now...

You can call it naivete if you want but it was a noble cause...problem is nikkas were already at the stage where implimenting codes and ethics was out of the question. Which is why he said "Thug lyfe" was dead in prison because seeing how the supposed real nikkas in the game that get all the respect are the same nikkas that have no honor...them showing their hand killed that dream of organizing street gangs into a socio-political force.

Exactly....action like that is what kills the "spirit" of a lot of "warriors" and movements

even his support of black women changed drT
getting set up and shot by "brothers" you rolled with along with being accused of rape by a "sister" add to that C. Deloros Tucker and Dionne Warwick coming at your neck slandering and trying to extort as well...

any rational person should be able to understand why TUPAC near the latter years of his life became that unrestrained "BEAST" on death row records...

even you don't agree....you should be able to UNDERSTAND

 

[Blackout]

I can't lie, ain't no love for the other side
Jealousy inside, make em wish I died

Pac said it in the next line he dont give a fukk about cacs either way

Word but watch the c00ns magically not see your post.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

98% of the "niccaz" that leave ignorant, juvenile level comments about Pac always have -red rep.Just peep that shyt.


Could be a sign of white trolls.Pac is like a thorn in the side of white cultural appropriation.His music is made to be felt in the soul, like an old negro spiritual.They don't understand the pathology of being a n i g g e r in this country.When Pac spoke/reacted to that pain, they couldn't feel it.They like some of his commercial shyt like "changes" or may even be intrigued by the "is he still alive shyt", but at the end of the day, they'd like to give Eminem his spot.They say Em raps with "emotion" just as much, plus he has all the "technical" skills they love blog about.Pac's the main nicca they wanna knock out the general top 3.Billboard already gave it a test run and knocked him out the top 10.


we have some little "billboards" running around this board


Just look at the rep.Sign of a poster with trolling tendencies.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

"Give em' guns, step back, watch em kill each other"

Just stop it. Pac knew the system better than most of us today. Pac knew the system is designed for THEM to not even have to raise a finger to destroy us anymore, but instead for us to destroy OURSELVES.

"I got love for my brother/but we can never go nowhere unless we share with each other/
We gotta start making changes/
Learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers"


Pac knew the system is designed to make blacks view each other as enemies/threats or as they say today "opps".

"We ain't meant to survive cause it's a set up"

There it is in one line.

I swear niccaz are too stiff & rigid(nh) and don't really have the fluidity of thought to understand Pac.Incapacitated by their own lameness.


You gotta have a bit of game & forward thinking to "get" Pac

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Pac spoke HEAVILY on the full picture. From all spectrums. And he also didn't say shyt like that to detract from an issue like police brutality. Imo if Pac was alive and saw how some of these people try to do that shyt he would call them out as well. The context is completely different. Bottom line.

And the collective sphere of black consciousness was just different back then.People was already up on game and knew who the enemy was in those days.It went without saying.....So niccaz wasn't squinting, threading the needle, reaching, looking for "c00n" comments like they do at present.


That's this new/lost generation shyt.A bunch of soft, zombie muthafukkaz who're insecure about their own blackness, so they project those insecurities onto other people.Quick to call you a c00n, sellout.It's petty, childlike shyt because that's what they've been reduced to.Even the ones who claim to be pro-black can't even do that right.They lack gracefulness.It's super extreme.They don't really know how to play chess with these white folks.They hitting it out of the park every time because they know you're only capable of throwing fast balls.Tipping pitches like a muthafukka.

This generation's not inherently lame, they've been propagandized to death.They're lame do to confusion, lack of wisdom, and no sense of direction.The crack generation really did a doozy on niccaz.It definitely broke the chain that binded us together pre 1980's, and led niccaz astray.

Pac's generation was the last to get that knowledge/game passed directly down to them.It's no coincidence that hip hop fell off once their time passed.


But Pac was the "One" like neo.He came from the east to the west, single mom freedom fighter/on the run from the law like Mary & baby Jesus.

He wanted to reunite the old with the new.What we had become with what we once was.I always believed that the universe corrects itself.Time will give birth to whatever's needed.And I think that energy will be more concentrated/potent in certain people.I think Pac was one of those people.Some are born right at the culminating point of a consciousness shift.I think it gives them a higher sense of awareness.Especially if you have brilliant/conscious parents that can lace you with the game and groom your "ESP"..IE Afeni/Mutulu Shakur....Pac was definitely on his X Men steez.

He died right after turning 25 and he's still so far ahead of niccaz it's pathetic.