It is really insulting that Trish and Lita think they were held back

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Don't get how people can't see how these two were held back. When you have to strip down and bark like a dog, do pillow fight matches, and live 'sex' celebrations it's clear they were

Trish and Lita clearly had more leeway than every other female on the roster then, and even some men. Both of them did everything they could have and should have for the division.
 

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Nah you guys are talking about moves and transitions and psychology then sure obviously Sasha and them are better but what Lita and Trish did what the current women haven't yet done is have a great BRAWL. At the end of the day Trish/Lita/Stephanie were brawlers and they beat the shyt out of each other. It came across on screen like they really hated one another.

I haven't seen that yet with this new crop so it's not like Trish and Lita are making false claims. They had a different style but it worked.
Those Trish/Victoria matches were SERIOUS
 

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Pretty sure the women have had the ending/main event segment on Raw once or twice in the past couple years, no?

Trish was basically Nikki Bella in the 90s. Not good but a lot better than when she started i.e. cant even run the ropes. Lita could do a couple lucha moves which everybody acted like was incredible, which I guess it kinda was back then when the other girls' matches consisted of pulling each other's hair and seeing who could rip the opponent's clothes off first. They were super over, but then so was everyone. Overall its consistent with the men in that the average workrate of today blows away what it was back then, which helps a bit to offset all of the other handicaps that wrestlers today have to deal with (bad writing, bad booking, micromanagement, PG handcuffs, the world being a different place, etc)
The thing that people forget though is that Trish Stratus came in to learn how to wrestle from the very beginning, not just be eye candy. But she was so ridiculously hot that they put her out there as eye candy until she was ready to get in the ring.
 

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The thing that people forget though is that Trish Stratus came in to learn how to wrestle from the very beginning, not just be eye candy. But she was so ridiculously hot that they put her out there as eye candy until she was ready to get in the ring.

This. Trish is NOT Nikki Bella of the 90's. You truly saw that she was interested in wrestling, and you saw her effort show by show to get better. Nikki/Brie were clearly about the stardom of being on TV and never put in the effort and drive to get better until their asses were out of the company and promised a reality show. They had to look in the mirror at themselves of how bad they were while they set ringside at Shimmer/ROH type shows. Props to them for fiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally doing something they were supposed to get doing in the first place, but both the WWE of Bella stans need to stop treating them like they went from Khali to Shawn Michaels.
 

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This. Trish is NOT Nikki Bella of the 90's. You truly saw that she was interested in wrestling, and you saw her effort show by show to get better. Nikki/Brie were clearly about the stardom of being on TV and never put in the effort and drive to get better until their asses were out of the company and promised a reality show. They had to look in the mirror at themselves of how bad they were while they set ringside at Shimmer/ROH type shows. Props to them for fiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally doing something they were supposed to get doing in the first place, but both the WWE of Bella stans need to stop treating them like they went from Khali to Shawn Michaels.
I didn't mean they had the same mentality. I just mean Nikki now and Trish are on about the same level as far as in-ring ability, and a lot of their overness comes from their attractiveness.
 
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