So I’m back from youtube because
@CHICAGO lol
Maturin dies before the losers kill penny in the book right? So how does he die but both are cosmic entities?
I’m trying to finish berserk but now i want to read this lol
Have they depicted maturin on screen yet? Or is it all pics, paintings, and turtle toys scattered here and there?
Skip YouTube and read the book (again if you’ve already read it).
I also wouldn’t try to read too deep into what the show is telling you. One of the best parts of the book was the lack of a deep explanation, and “IT” being such an unreliable narrator when discussing his past. It’s so old that it can barely remember any of that shyt anyways.
There’s no concrete explanation of the lore, not glimpses from hallucinations/visions from delving into the spiritual world or psychically connecting with “IT”. Sometimes IT also passively says things about its past.
Godhood is up to perception in the Stephen king literary universe. Some creatures and being call themselves this because of their longevity or being worshiped by people in ancient times. Some even thought of these things as demons, ghosts, classic monsters, and angels.
Pennywise is just a shyt talker who likes to throw its enemies off their game by making them think he’s impossible to beat. He will say anything to win, and if you believe what it says, you give him the power to make it true.
Once of the visions the kids collectively have relates to Maturin, who’s similar to the celestials in the Marvel universe. His type of being also exists in the dark tower, they hold reality together and often balance out things like “IT” with their “good”. I put good in quotations because IT’s not really evil, but just a predator who would be like a carnivore if spiritual energy counted as meat too. Often those ancient good counterweights react to the pain of regular life with indifference.
It makes things kind of suck to give King’s literary universe the same rules and categorical attributes as the shyt we normally see on TV. It mentions that Maturin is long dead as Maturin vomits out creation itself (universes). He says it got so old that it choked on its own puke and died.
The kids were able to tap into visions of some kind of ancient, cosmic, psychic combat that exists outside of time and space. They used it to defeat IT’s real that exists everywhere and nowhere. Because they aren’t physically strong enough to beat pennywise they have to fight him in a formless and figurative sense, kind of like how pennywise projects to terrorize, kill, and eat physically mortal things.
It’s honestly best left to imagination and half-mystery for it all to work. King wrote it in a way that our imaginations can only grasps the same things the kids can, and our terms/verbiage only loosely apply.
WE'RE CREATING NEW shyt
The Shine can easily have it's own show with Abra or even a new protagonist if they wanted. We really really really need that Dark Tower series I just hate that it's on amazon. 
