Italy is a 3rd world country

[Gallo]

Do you


I visited all those cities and had a fukking blast. I like visiting countries that are aesthetically and culturally different from the US or other Anglo countries. Maybe you should have visited Germany or France if you wanted to be in a place that is almost a carbon copy of the US.

I really don't want to visit a place that looks and feels just like the US except for the language. Mediterranean countries have a 'feel' of their own and I loved that.

I was up and down the Mediterranean - Malaga, Valencia, Barcelona, Montpelier, Nice etc. Italy was the ugliest and dirtiest with the worst people. Sorry. I could have done without Italy. Northern Italians look down at southern Italians for a reason and I found that they are correct for the most part. Generally lazier people and the like - drinking coffee at 9 am on a weekday outside the Vatican

 

[Gallo]

You really are that walking ugly American cliche. I'm trying to figure out why you want to pay a euro grip to visit a place tags is just like the US. Maybe you should have visited Vermont or Canada instead.

 

[mbewane]

Why are you no longer living in Italy?

I was traveling along the Mediterranean - Pisa, Florence, Rome, Naples. The latter one of the dirtiest cities I have visited.

Italy sucks for many reasons but I will give you one example; If I go to a major city and I tell the taxi driver to take me to the center/middle of everything and the driver takes me to a large train station - then we have a problem. And it only got worst from there. Unless you are an archeology/history buff or not a spoiled American type, it's just a sh1tty country for the most part.

I'm no longer living there because I first moved there within a european volunteering project, and then I had a semi-contract for 6 months. Then I felt like going back to Brussels and keep it moving. Been back various times since.

Breh, I thought you were gonna come back with a good example. There are tons of issues in Italy and you point out taxi problems? If you ask "Bring me to the center of everything" of course the taximan gonna be like "Let me rip off this tourist who doesn't even know where he wants to go". Buy a damn guide

And yeah, Naples has a HUGE issue, but people I got to know who actually LIVE there absolutely love it, for the history, culture and general atmosphere. But I guess you would have no idea about that.

Let me give an example of something I found so refreshing in Rome. It was right outside of the Vatican. It was around 9am and people were just chilling. Drinking coffee(in real cups) in cafes and socializing before work. I didn't see people running around in Starbucks paper cups stressed out commuting to work. its as if the people dont live to work. I just saw people enjoying life.

At night, I saw families not just nuclear families, but extended families, just chilling out in resturants enjoying each others company on a week night. When I explained to them how foreign that is in the US, they gave me look.

They are way different than we are in respect to what they value in life.

Yep. A lot of italians struggle economically but I'd be damned if they weren't some of the most easy-going, non-stressed and friendly people I've met. And most latins will tell you that they work to live, as oppposed to live to work.

Aperitivo e cena

 

[Gallo]

I'm no longer living there because I first moved there within a european volunteering project, and then I had a semi-contract for 6 months. Then I felt like going back to Brussels and keep it moving. Been back various times since.

Breh, I thought you were gonna come back with a good example. There are tons of issues in Italy and you point out taxi problems? If you ask "Bring me to the center of everything" of course the taximan gonna be like "Let me rip off this tourist who doesn't even know where he wants to go". Buy a damn guide

And yeah, Naples has a HUGE issue, but people I got to know who actually LIVE there absolutely love it, for the history, culture and general atmosphere. But I guess you would have no idea about that.



Yep. A lot of italians struggle economically but I'd be damned if they weren't some of the most easy-going, non-stressed and friendly people I've met. And most latins will tell you that they work to live, as oppposed to live to work.

Aperitivo e cena

Unfortunately, the taxi driver did not rip me off. I wish he had. Then I would have found that awesome, bustling, beautiful center of Rome. Everywhere I went outside the major tourist areas, it got dirtier and uglier. Take away the landmarks and It's just a terrible major city by world standards (much less European standards). Even places like Buenos Aires and Santiago sh!t on it. Lima has more charm.

I'm sure many people love Cairo for its history, culture and the like - but It's still a sh!tty place. That you would defend the environmental and societal cesspool that is Naples tells me you have a strong bias. Understandably so - Italy gave a poor African kid a better opportunity than where he came from. One that he par-laid into a much greater living and working opportunity in Belgium. Well played. You were industrious enough to not stay in the cesspool that is Italy.

 

[mbewane]

Unfortunately, the taxi driver did not rip me off. I wish he had. Then I would have found that awesome, bustling, beautiful center of Rome. Everywhere I went outside the major tourist areas, it got dirtier and uglier. Take away the landmarks and It's just a terrible major city by world standards (much less European standards). Even places like Buenos Aires and Santiago sh!t on it. Lima has more charm.

I'm sure many people love Cairo for its history, culture and the like - but It's still a sh!tty place. That you would defend the environmental and societal cesspool that is Naples tells me you have a strong bias. Understandably so - Italy gave a poor African kid a better opportunity than where he came from. One that he par-laid into a much greater living and working opportunity in Belgium. Well played. You were industrious enough to not stay in the cesspool that is Italy.

What the fukk you talking about testa di cazzo? You know my story? You don't know shyt about me, where I'm from, Italy or Belgium. Ma vaffanculo va

 

[Rayzah]

Why are you no longer living in Italy?

I was traveling along the Mediterranean - Pisa, Florence, Rome, Naples. The latter one of the dirtiest cities I have visited.

Italy sucks for many reasons but I will give you one example; If I go to a major city and I tell the taxi driver to take me to the center/middle of everything and the driver takes me to a large train station - then we have a problem. And it only got worst from there. Unless you are an archeology/history buff or not a spoiled American type, it's just a sh1tty country for the most part.

Do you


I visited all those cities and had a fukking blast. I like visiting countries that are aesthetically and culturally different from the US or other Anglo countries. Maybe you should have visited Germany or France if you wanted to be in a place that is almost a carbon copy of the US.

I really don't want to visit a place that looks and feels just like the US except for the language. Mediterranean countries have a 'feel' of their own and I loved that.

So this guy is completely wrong or is there truth to what he is saying? I am in the process of signing a contract to go work on the military base in Sicily, and is wondering what I am getting myself into.

 

[CHL]

Victims’ advocates also say that cultural factors contribute to violence against women. So-called honor killings of women said to have disgraced their family were legal until 1981, said Luisa Pronzato, who runs a blog about women for the Milan newspaper Corriere della Sera. Paternalism “is part of our culture,” and it continues to permeate Italian society, she added.

Even police officers and health care workers called to respond to domestic violence are not immune from such attitudes, others say. “We had a recent case where a woman was threatened by her husband with a knife, and after calling the police, she was told by the officer, ‘Why don’t you cook a nice plate of pasta and make up?' ” said Nadia Somma, the president of Demetra, an association that runs a shelter in Ravenna, in northeastern Italy.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

What the fukk you talking about testa di cazzo? You know my story? You don't know shyt about me, where I'm from, Italy or Belgium. Ma vaffanculo va

goat italian curses ive been known to throw some testa di cazzos out there myself

So this guy is completely wrong or is there truth to what he is saying? I am in the process of signing a contract to go work on the military base in Sicily, and is wondering what I am getting myself into.

Italy isnt in great shape right now..but you can rest assured that the military bases there are top notch. @Abso831

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

lol youre not aware of their marriage/divorce laws?

you'll find it hilarious, let me compile some highlights.

Unlike most western countries, Italy introduced a separation and divorce law quite late, at the beginning of the Seventies (law 898/1970). The law required two separate proceedings: one for legal separation and one for divorce, which could only be activated five years after separation.

A legal separation does not remove the marriage bond, but simply modifies it, through a temporary cessation of some of the duties of marriage (i.e. the guy can fukk whoever he wants). When divorce is granted, the marriage is truly dissolved, apart from some obligations regarding marital assets and parental responsibilities toward children.

Unlike divorce, separation has a transitory nature as it is always possible to reconcile and end its effects. Parties can agree to nullify a separation decree without a judge’s intervention by simply declaring their decision or behaving in a way unmistakably incompatible (sidenote from me: the biggest point of contention in the country from what ive heard because it is next to impossible to prove that and there is prejudice towards keeping marriages together so they dont get excommunicated. One party usually disagrees. So lets say the guy was sleeping around during the legal separation, it usually gets to the point that the woman has to have documented proof of the guy sleeping around lol) with the state of separation.

The Family Rights Act (law 151/1975) no longer required one partner’s fault as a basis for
separation. Instead, grounds for a separation were based on the objective assessment of facts deemed to make marriage unacceptable or cause negative effects on the children’s upbringing. However, the act maintained the original regulations concerning the custody of children and the practice of postseparation parenting, granting the custody to the parent who can assure the child’s best interests and giving that parent absolute parental authority.

More in depth:

Spoiler

LEGAL SEPARATION IN ITALY

The Italian legal separation of the spouses is regulated by the Italian Civil Code, the procedural code and related statutes.

The legal separation in Italy does not break up the marriage, but instead divides the legal communion, the duty of marital fidelity and necessity to cohabitate.

Moreover, the legal separation of the spouses in Italy, unlike a divorce, is temporary so that the couple can reconcile, without formalities before the Tribunal or in the City Hall of their residence issuing an ad hoc declaration.

• Separation by mutual consent in Italy: In this case, both spouses decide to separate by mutual consent. An agreement between them on aspects of the separation is required and must be reached. A joint recourse must be filed with the competent Italian Court. Once filed, the first hearing is fixed wherein both spouses must appear before the Italian Court for the compulsory attempt to reconcile required by Italian law. The Italian Court may take necessary measures in safeguarding the weaker (non moneyed) spouse. From this date, the three year term necessary to be entitled to divorce begins to accrue. After the three year period has elapsed, if the agreement between the spouses is considered by the Italian Court fair and not prejudicial to any of them or the children, the Italian Tribunal may grant the separation adopting it by decree (‘decreto di omologa’). The conditions provided therein can be modified or revoked if new facts come to light.

• Italian Judicial separation in Italy: If there is no agreement between the spouses to require a separation by mutual consent, each spouse can file a recourse for judicial separation. The spouse can also ask the Italian Tribunal to ascertain the violation by the other spouse of one of the duties descending from the marriage (e.g. duty of marital fidelity, cohabitation, etc.). In this case, the appealing spouse can ask for a judicial separation “with charge” (‘con addebito’). If the charge is recognized by the Tribunal, the spouse at issue may not be entitled to the maintenance and may lose some other rights as against the other spouse. Similar to the case of separation by mutual consent, at the first hearing, both spouses must appear before the Court for the compulsory attempt to reconcile as required by Italian law. The Italian Court may take the necessary measures to safeguard the financially weaker spouse. The proceedings carry on according to the ordinary procedure and at the end a final judgment is granted by the Italian Court. However, at the first hearing, the Italian Court can also grant a not-definitive judgment, immediately pronouncing the separation of the spouses and carrying on the proceedings just on the disputed matters. In this case, the three year term for the spouses to be entitled to task for the divorce starts to accrue from this hearing so that they could require the divorce before the definitive judgment of separation is granted. A proceeding for judicial separation in Italy can also be converted into a proceeding for separation by mutual consent.

DIVORCE IN ITALY

The Italian divorce is the legal dissolution of the marriage canceling the legal duties and responsibilities deriving from the marriage and dissolving the bonds of matrimony between the parties.

The proceedings for divorce are expressly regulated by the Italian civil code, the civil procedural code, and by Statutes no. 898/1970 and no. 74/1987.

As in the case of separation, also the proceedings for divorce can follow two different procedures:

- Joint divorce in Italy: in this case, both the spouses agree on the terms of the divorce and they both file the joint recourse for divorce with the competent Court.

- Contested divorce in Italy: in this case, no agreement on the conditions of divorce exists between the spouses and each of them can file the recourse for divorce with the competent Court.

The grounds entitling the spouses to require the Italian divorce are expressly listed in art.3 Statute 989/1970.

The divorce can be required, by the way of an example, when:

- The other spouse has been sentenced to life or more than 15 years in prison by a definitive judgment;
- The spouse has been sentenced for killing the child or trying to kill the other spouse or the child, regardless of the penalty;
- The foreign spouse got the annulment of the marriage abroad or got married again abroad;
- In case of judicial separation, when the definitive judgment acquired the authority of a final decision (res judicata).
- In case of separation by mutual consent, when the separation decree issued by the Court is adopted;

In the last two cases mentioned above, to begin the proceedings for divorce, a three year term from the first hearing of the legal separation proceedings must be expired, as expressly provided by Italian law. Such a term does not accrue in case of separation-in-fact.

In order to declare the dissolution of the marriage, the Court must verify if the requirements provided by law subsist; in particular:

1. The loss of the material and spiritual communion between the spouses and the impossibility to reconstruct it;

2. One of the grounds provided by art. 3 Statute no. 898/1970.

The Court must also take into consideration the interests of the children and take any measure required on their exclusive behalf.

The proceedings for joint divorce are faster as the parties must appear before the Court only at the first hearing for the compulsory attempt to reconcile provided by law.

In case of an Italian judicial divorce, the proceedings can be more complex, considering the disputes that could arise. Also in this case, the parties can ask for a partial judgment declaring the dissolution of the marriage, whereas the proceedings will carry on just on the disputed matters.

When the Italian judgment of divorce is granted, the spouses can get married again and the wife loses her former-husband’s surname. All the legal duties and responsibilities deriving from the marriage are dissolved as well as the legal communion of the goods (if such a dissolution had not been pronounced yet during the proceedings for separation).

 

[CHL]

I was up and down the Mediterranean - Malaga, Valencia, Barcelona, Montpelier, Nice etc. Italy was the ugliest and dirtiest with the worst people. Sorry. I could have done without Italy. Northern Italians look down at southern Italians for a reason and I found that they are correct for the most part. Generally lazier people and the like - drinking coffee at 9 am on a weekday outside the Vatican

I sense the

 

[NSSVO]

goat italian curses ive been known to throw some testa di cazzos out there myself



Italy isnt in great shape right now..but you can rest assured that the military bases there are top notch. @Abso831

Well I know the Aviano is fire and Vicenza isn't that bad, I can't speak for the Navy, but I'm pretty sure your going to be alright. Italy is alright man, Southern Italians are chill as fukk. He's not the most glamorous of areas of Europe, but the females actually have ass out there in Sur. I am actually disappointed I didn't go down there more often, since I was always complaining about wanting a thicker broad. You can go everywhere pretty cheap. @Rayzah

 

[NSSVO]

And just to be clear, Northern Italians are lazy too.

 

[Grand Conde]

So you are saying Italy is a shythole?

People have been saying that for centuries breh. You are very literally hundreds of year's late.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

And just to be clear, Northern Italians are lazy too.

They are all lazy to some degree, particularly from the american hustle and bustle perspective. They are just as likely to post up at the cafe in the morning as the central/southern italians do. Job opportunities are pretty grim all around though..so even if it wasnt already embedded in their culture that life/comfort>>>work, the economy certainly isnt helping reverse that.

i just got that fresh brioche delivered from a fam's trip there god bless them for going through customs for me

 

[NSSVO]

They are all lazy to some degree, particularly from the american hustle and bustle perspective. They are just as likely to post up at the cafe in the morning as the central/southern italians do. Job opportunities are pretty grim all around though..so even if it wasnt already embedded in their culture that life/comfort>>>work, the economy certainly isnt helping reverse that.

i just got that fresh brioche delivered from a fam's trip there god bless them for going through customs for me

Motherfukkers can't get jobs anywhere breh. My ex had to go to London for work.