ITS ALOT OF nikkaS THAT LISTEN TO KENDRICK LAMAR THAT DIDNT VOTE TODAY

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I got to get at you @SirBiatch

This dumb-dumb "voting for the lesser of two evils" just isn't realistic or acceptable for some

A lot of people, not all, who choose not to vote are consciously deciding not to partake in a process that they don't believe produces results that ultimately end up benefiting them, their families, or their communities

Some people aren't able to cast a vote for a candidate when they don't in good faith believe that they're voting for someone who is going to actually fight for their interests if they're elected

Some people's integrity, morality, and values aren't set up to just go along with whatever everyone else thinks is right

I have friends who aren't the most involved in the political process but are actively involved in addressing issues in their communities

Why you tryna act like you real-deep by playing the game when that game has repeatedly shown to benefit super rich people, fake people dressed up as corporations, and muthafukkas hellbent on exploiting, oppressing, and dividing the most vulnerable people in the world

so what process are they consciously deciding to partake in to better their communities and the country as a whole? :jbhmm:

also, why not scratch the vote? Or even better, gather millions of people together in one place with one message: "we aint voting till y'all get a better candidate".

Won't happen, because most fake-deep would rather wallow in arrogant ignorance rather than fight it. And they don't even realize that they're playing right into the hands of the 'powers-that-be' that are more than happy you're not out there voting (and they spend money making sure to prevent you from voting).

But that's tea for another convo
 

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so what process are they consciously deciding to partake in to better their communities and the country as a whole? :jbhmm:

also, why not scratch the vote? Or even better, gather millions of people together in one place with one message: "we aint voting till y'all get a better candidate".

Won't happen, because most fake-deep would rather wallow in arrogant ignorance rather than fight it. And they don't even realize that they're playing right into the hands of the 'powers-that-be' that are more than happy you're not out there voting (and they spend money making sure to prevent you from voting).

But that's tea for another convo
Breh, voting is not the only thing you can do to improve shyt. I get the criticism of people who complain but do absolutely nothing. What I don't get is people who know the process is flawed or know that someone/something isn't that great but they'll vote for that someone/something because they're not super duper evil. shyt just seems to be a cop out for so-called real-deep nikkas acting like they're making a difference by participating. If you have a choice between best, good, lesser evil, and greater evil, why the fukk are you picking lesser evil?? :mindblown:
 

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Breh, voting is not the only thing you can do to improve shyt. I get the criticism of people who complain but do absolutely nothing. What I don't get is people who know the process is flawed or know that someone/something isn't that great but they'll vote for that someone/something because they're not super duper evil. shyt just seems to be a cop out for so-called real-deep nikkas acting like they're making a difference by participating. If you have a choice between best, good, lesser evil, and greater evil, why the fukk are you picking lesser evil?? :mindblown:

Please answer the questions I posed so we can continue the convo:

so what process are they consciously deciding to partake in to better their communities and the country as a whole? :jbhmm:

also, why not scratch the vote? Or even better, gather millions of people together in one place with one message: "we aint voting till y'all get a better candidate".
 

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Please answer the questions I posed so we can continue the convo:
What are people doing other than voting that is helping to improve things? Let's see: volunteering for nonprofits, mentoring kids, raising their kids, working to provide for themselves and their families, being kind to people, treating people with respect, etc :francis:

We can't scratch the vote because it's foundational to our "democracy." If we didn't have the vote, what would we have? :francis:
 

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What are people doing other than voting that is helping to improve things? Let's see: volunteering for nonprofits, mentoring kids, raising their kids, working to provide for themselves and their families, being kind to people, treating people with respect, etc :francis:

First off, it's nice that you actually answered the question. Many of my stans on The Coli go mute/deflect at the earliest opportunity.

With that said, your examples of "helping to improve things" are cute but don't affect communities at large, particularly when it comes to economics, media, health and law.

so what process are they consciously deciding to partake in to better their communities and the country as a whole? :jbhmm:

If someone/some group have the power to dictate the economics/health/law of the very land you walk on, why would you not want to be involved on at least a basic level? shyt makes zero sense. Your lack of involvement isn't going to change the fact that they have that power. :what:
If anything, it's going to increase their power because they don't have to be accountable to you. Homie, this shyt is basic.

You volunteering for a nonprofit and being nice to ol Miss Judy isn't going to change laws/policies that threaten your very existence.
 

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First off, it's nice that you actually answered the question. Many of my stans on The Coli go mute/deflect at the earliest opportunity.

With that said, your examples of "helping to improve things" are cute but don't affect communities at large, particularly when it comes to economics, media, health and law.



If someone/some group have the power to dictate the economics/health/law of the very land you walk on, why would you not want to be involved on at least a basic level? shyt makes zero sense. Your lack of involvement isn't going to change the fact that they have that power. :what:
If anything, it's going to increase their power because they don't have to be accountable to you. Homie, this shyt is basic.

You volunteering for a nonprofit and being nice to ol Miss Judy isn't going to change laws/policies that threaten your very existence.

I guess my examples are cute seen individually but they are beautiful if taken to a scale in which we have many people doing those things.

I don't think you or anyone are necessarily wrong when you say voting can help and create change on a grander school. I just challenge you to question whether things actually have changed for the better based off of your vote. I challenge you to really think about who has been benefiting from our political process.

And I'd also like you to answer the question I posed: If you have a choice between best, good, lesser evil, and greater evil, why the fukk are you picking lesser evil?? I don't get that philosophy on voting and engaging in the political process. Yet this is what a lot of so-called smart and educated folk advocate for. Why would you sacrifice and compromise your values and integrity for something you don't believe in just for the sake of preventing something/someone that/who is supposedly even worse? Why not just support what you believe in?
 

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I guess my examples are cute seen individually but they are beautiful if taken to a scale in which we have many people doing those things.

That would be utopia, which doesn't exist.

I don't think you or anyone are necessarily wrong when you say voting can help and create change on a grander school. I just challenge you to question whether things actually have changed for the better based off of your vote. I challenge you to really think about who has been benefiting from our political process.

Process is slow but over time I think it has yielded results.


And I'd also like you to answer the question I posed: If you have a choice between best, good, lesser evil, and greater evil, why the fukk are you picking lesser evil??

no one in their right mind would pick lesser evil if good and best are available. Let's be real. Lesser evils are always chosen because good and best aren't available at that moment.

I don't get that philosophy on voting and engaging in the political process. Yet this is what a lot of so-called smart and educated folk advocate for. Why would you sacrifice and compromise your values and integrity for something you don't believe in just for the sake of preventing something/someone that/who is supposedly even worse? Why not just support what you believe in?

That's a fair point.

Voting, like anything human-related, is not perfect. Sometimes you're voting just to get someone out, instead of someone you want 'in'. Way of life.

No one's pretending like the voting process isn't flawed. if not massively flawed in certain cases. But the fact of the matter is that as of 2016, it's the best engine for getting countries moving forward.

I don't mind people saying "fukk all that", but you gotta come with a real alternative. Not some made-up-shyts while you sit in your basement high.

If I don't think what is being offered is healthy at all, I try to find the alternative. and if there aint one, and it's really important to me, I make one. Bout time these non-voting ass nikkas did something.
 

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That would be utopia, which doesn't exist.



Process is slow but over time I think it has yielded results.




no one in their right mind would pick lesser evil if good and best are available. Let's be real. Lesser evils are always chosen because good and best aren't available at that moment.



That's a fair point.

Voting, like anything human-related, is not perfect. Sometimes you're voting just to get someone out, instead of someone you want 'in'. Way of life.

No one's pretending like the voting process isn't flawed. if not massively flawed in certain cases. But the fact of the matter is that as of 2016, it's the best engine for getting countries moving forward.

I don't mind people saying "fukk all that", but you gotta come with a real alternative. Not some made-up-shyts while you sit in your basement high.

If I don't think what is being offered is healthy at all, I try to find the alternative. and if there aint one, and it's really important to me, I make one. Bout time these non-voting ass nikkas did something.
I can respect a lot of that. :ehh:

Here's an example of what I mean by the best, good, lesser evil, and greater evil distinctions.

We could very well end up in a situation where Clinton and Trump get their party's nomination.

If that's the case, we would have our general election with Clinton being the Dem candidate and Trump being the Rep candidate.

Now, I don't like Clinton or Trump but I can concede that Clinton would be a lesser evil than Trump. So, there are people who will vote on that basis and will tell me to do so as well for the "greater good."

Meanwhile, I think Bernie is the best candidate for president. He's the only candidate that I can vote for with my head and heart based off what I know of him and what I know of the other candidates. However, because of our two-party system, I can't vote Sanders (a likely third party/write-in candidate) because that would be "wasting a vote" because he has no chance in winning. Some would even say a vote for Sanders would be a vote for Trump. :mindblown:

So, I'm left with this decision: do I follow what I believe and try to get everything I want in a president or do I go the pragmatic route and vote to get at least some of what I want in order to avoid everything I don't want? :jbhmm:
 

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I can respect a lot of that. :ehh:

Here's an example of what I mean by the best, good, lesser evil, and greater evil distinctions.

We could very well end up in a situation where Clinton and Trump get their party's nomination.

If that's the case, we would have our general election with Clinton being the Dem candidate and Trump being the Rep candidate.

Now, I don't like Clinton or Trump but I can concede that Clinton would be a lesser evil than Trump. So, there are people who will vote on that basis and will tell me to do so as well for the "greater good."

Meanwhile, I think Bernie is the best candidate for president. He's the only candidate that I can vote for with my head and heart based off what I know of him and what I know of the other candidates. However, because of our two-party system, I can't vote Sanders (a likely third party/write-in candidate) because that would be "wasting a vote" because he has no chance in winning. Some would even say a vote for Sanders would be a vote for Trump. :mindblown:

So, I'm left with this decision: do I follow what I believe and try to get everything I want in a president or do I go the pragmatic route and vote to get at least some of what I want in order to avoid everything I don't want? :jbhmm:

one of the oldest questions in the book. And there's no easy answer.

Personally, I just vote who I want. If the vote is split, fukk it. The politicians will know and hopefully be able to rally up more votes for the right candidate next time.
 
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