Its crazy how almost every NBA player has Kobe over LeBron

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

@Swagnificent you are the worst poster in coli/sohh history

 

[MalikX]

LOL. So when Kobe's peers say he's better it's cause they want to make themselves look good cause he was their competition. But when LeBron's peers say Kobe is better it's cause the guys playing against LeBron aren't gonna give him credit since they are competiting against him.

I couldn't make up this hypocrisy.

Yea it shouldn't matter that LeBron is a peer. Jordan was a peer of Bird and Magic, really their little nikka to be honest and they both said he was the GOAT.

 

[Swagnificent]

That's quite an exaggeration - none of the guys you just named were in the top-6 of the Laker rotation or played more than 15 minutes/game.

The 2008 Celtics had 38yo P.J. Brown, 38yo Sam Cassell, Leon Powe and Glen Davis in those spots.

Hell, the 2011 Heat had Joel Anthony and a 2nd-year Mario Chalmers in their TOP FIVE. And the next year they were starting Norris Cole, Ronnie Turiaf, and Dexter Pittman in games.





I see you ignored coaching there. And injuries. Of course.

A slightly less talented roster than 2013, but also significantly less talented competition. You have to compare like-to-like.

The Dallas Mavs who beat the Heat in 6 also washed Kobe's Lakers in 4 even though Kobe still had the same team he had had in 2010.

The Thunder who the Heat beat in the Finals in 2012 took care of business against Kobe's Lakers quite easily in just 5 games.

So obviously there was another step up in competition.



Back in 2008, Kobe and Pau got blown out in Game 6 against a Celtics team that Lebron had come a couple shots away from beating in 7 with a MUCH less talented roster.

In 2009, if the Magic don't hit both their game-winners, Lebron probably comes out ahead of them and goes to the Finals with a significantly less talented roster than the one you just bragged about Kobe getting a ring with. And that's even with having a team that didn't match up at ALL with the Magic.

And in 2010, Lebron lost in 6 to the same Celtics team that would have beaten Kobe's Lakers in 6 or 7 if they hadn't lost Perkins in Game 6, and once again, with less talent.

When you look at what actually happened in the seasons you're comparing, you see exactly how it happened.

First of all, in 2011 Kobe was a shell of himself because of the knee injuries. That is the only reason the Mavs beat them. Kobe ended up having to go to Germany for those knee treatments that allowed him to look like the Kobe of old in 2013.

With regard to comparing all those series between Kobe's Lakers and LeBron's Cavs vs similar teams, you should know better than to do that. If you follow sports you should know every matchup is different. Just because the Lakers lost in 6 to the Celtics in 2008 while the Cavs lost in 7 doesn't mean the Cavs were better than the Lakers or that LeBron is better than Kobe because of those comparative results. That is ridiculous. Any sports fan knows that. Teams get beat all the time using that logic.

Remember in 2008 the Celtics also went 7 games against the Hawks in round 1. Then they went 7 games with the Cavs in round 2. Most people picked the Pistons and Lakers to beat them in the conference finals and finals because people used that transitive property logic. They thought that because the Celtics struggled with the Hawks and Cavs (two teams everyone thought were inferior to the Pistons and Lakers) that the Pistons and Lakers would beat the Celtics. Or at the very least take it 7 games as well. But that didn't happen. Celtics found their rhythm or just got better matchups in the conference finals and nba finals and beat both the Lakers and Pistons in 6 games.

Using the transitive property in sports to try and determine who is better than who in matchups between teams that never happened is retarded. If you follow sports you would know this logic does not work.

 

[Maluma]

We have different opinions on what makes a c00n . Him marrying his wife doesn't auto make him a c00n in my book. He got tired of his fam in his pockets

Zero sons.

 

[Fade Runner 2049]

Zero sons.

And?

Mj's sons suck at basketball so what's your point

 

[Controversy]

Lebron is better at defending 1's, 3's, 4's, 5's, and at anchoring a team defense and protecting the rim.

Kobe is better at defending 2's.

Lebron had a much, much greater defensive impact than Kobe. By the time the Lakers were "Kobe's team", management was making a point of getting defensive specialists like Artest and Ariza who consistently guarded whichever swing player was the greater offensive threat while Kobe guarded the easiest responsibility. Lebron, meanwhile, is still out there at the age of 32 acting as most important defensive player on his team, at least on the perimeter/swing for certain.





Every single year from when he tried to take over the team in 2004 until his final injury-free year in 2012, Kobe shot worse from the field on average than his teammates. That is what I mean by a low percentage shooter. He wasn't as bad as many, but Kobe is certainly emulated by players who want you to look at their ppg and ignore their shooting %'s.

So the Cavs didn't put Richard Jefferson on KD bc he was cooking Bron?

So Bron didn't defend Kawhi this season?

Bron is a helluva overrated defender which is why KD shot 72% against him in the finals