"Its literally impossible to save money when you're poor"

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I go to the library 1 hour a day in weekdays and on the weekends I live in it inget up go at 10 leave have breakfast come back and stay till 4pm. I take udemy to learn Web coding.

Backup plan is the surgical technologist or lpn at my local vocational center.

I can't do physical work bud. No cop no trades no physical labor.
regardless, I didn't wanna come at you like that.

back to the point here. You ever look at taking any business courses? finance? accounting?
you say you can't do physical work so there is still plenty out there(Not gonna bother ask you why)

LPN is good, you will always have a job with nursing.

Lots of options out there, just don't give up and especially don't make excuses of why your life is the way it is. Just keep working hard to make it better
 

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When you give somebody a reason that someone is poor, or is simply having a difficult time coming out of poverty, you usually get responses talking about "Well, they shouldn't have done XYZ (got a felony, had a kid, should have/haven't went to school, etc.)".... does anybody ever have any advice for somebody who has already done XYZ and is now trying to get out of it?
biggest advice I can tell someone that has gone througha situation like that ( My brother did 8 years in prison....thought he had everything figured out...fukked up and is now back doin 3 more years)

the biggest thing is to keep a positive attitude. You know that you are already be scrutinzed. don't make the employer the bad guy, just take any opportunity to prove yourself. they will watch you closely just keep busting your ass.
keep learning, gaining skills. unfortunately you will probably get stuck with shytty jobs at first, but over time you will build htat resume up. build references and shyt that will lead to better jobs.

The worse off you are the longer it may take. don't prove the employers right( they already look down on felons and shyt) by acting out.
work hard and keep learning.

GO BACK TO SCHOOL!!
if you can, I know its easy to dismiss this but it is very important. Employers want to see ppl taht either have trade skills or other tangible skills, or mental/pychological skills and shyt taht apply more broadly.
They want workers that they can rely on and have demonstrated focus, motivation, and dedication to complete tasks(school really shows that)
especially as an adult learner, msot ppl think it looks bad, but jsut as many employers look at that as a positive.
 

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You are not old enough to know from experience how exasperated the possibilities are in general, that you are speaking on.
Have you been destitute as an actual adult.
After doing everything possible to speak on this.

I don't really think you are because you speak from the perspective of someone self equating from a positive rule.
When you should be speaking about this from the least possible general rule and perspective.

I talk in covert action here and I know it is not many of you.
who even know the streets like you say you do at all.
Definitely as an actual adult.
I have actually been through all this shyt on extreme levels of poverty.
as an adult and I know from actual execution in nature.
It is next to impossible in general to make it at all in this day and age.
Especially, if you are poor and make below the median.

You have to earn twelve dollars and hour in America in a urban progressive city.
to make it as far as a place to stay and pray you get subsidized heating and electric as a rule.
At twelve dollars an hour.
You make 3 dollars and change more than you can make to get an ebt card as a male.
So, you will have a place to stay and no food.
The median that cancels out ebt is 830, a month.
An apartment with no electrical or heat government subsidies is at the least 850 in Chicago.
Unless you go to the welfare office and get the low rent list and all low rent list apartments on this list.
if liveable all include no government subsidized heat and electric.
Heat in Chicago for an apartment in the harsh winter could be 400 to seven hundred dollars, a month.
Which you will need a government subsidies based help program to aid you in being warm and not die.
[I, know so because I survived on eye of a stove heat and a burned out overused oven for heat.
Including, numerous and all brands of heaters. to the point I know what heater is the best on the shelf, for real.]
When, the setup for that is only at the welfare office on Thursday and it is a multiple trip based endeavor every rip.
till you get approved. Which means when it is cold you will have to miss work at your unable to afford rent job and now stuck.
All because you can not afford any utilities in any apartment.
in any urban city who has real harsh weather.
Travel on public transportation was ten dollars a day for a one day pass and every bus ride without a issued ventra transit card or proximity of an el was a quarter shy of three dollars, A BUS RIDE.
NOT A TRANSFER, WITH THAT,...JUST A BUS RIDE.
When you could possibly have five transfers in one destination just to make it to the Waukegan meets Wisconsin line to find possible employment and have to start your day at 345am to make it to work at nine am.
This is one way,...now multiply it by two trips.

So, all the shyt you talking I know is not real in nature.
I know so because I did everything you could feasibly do and the numbers do not match and anyone in the circumstance for real would tell you that.
You are not and have not endured the circumstance.
I know so because you would not be talking the bullshyt dialogue you are.
Like I am way more resourceful on a level.
I have not met nikkaz who have done what I can and will do and have and do.


Within two bars of any record you listen to me on.
I tell you who and what I really am for real, for real.
Plus, how even after all the shyt i been through from corporate America to the block.
I know my expertise far outweighs other nikkaz and in person I know my braintrust in what I do on all levels would dwarf yours.
I ain't never had shyt lucky,...i have the worst circumstances in life.
of anyone I know from my background and I don't mesh with other coddled two parent family home kids.
All because I find them to be disrespectful to kids who are not as privileged and I know they would get the shyt beat out of them in an orphanage/foster/shelter setting off gp alone.
I seen them get beat down, all the time too.

As they have not endured socially anything remotely close to what my environment is/was. At any stage and I know the in's and out's of everything from foster to shelter to orphanage based life and I am not a foster kid or an orphan at all.
Yet, I live a full life.
That has really experienced life from the perspective of a kid with a double life.
that leaves all the foster kids at the foster home.
So, I respect the fact I had a place to study and go home to my two parent family home.
Which is why in my late teens to my twenties is why I was more successful. Than anyone I knew without a degree.
Everyone is not that lucky, or born into a college pedigreed two family home.
When kids who were way more cognitively brilliant.
had no where to study and that is why they could not do.
what you or possibly I did in a two parent family home with resources.
To being an adult fighting poverty stricken in a battle.
that has no possible positive outcome for me against my enemies.
Regardless of how hard I work from the bottom again.
Or how hard I do this or that, being stricken by poverty is the hardest hardship in American life.
Especially when you are born into it, or even worse in my predicament.
Forced into it by white men way more powerful than you, that you actually helped them make the revenue that lead to their power.
So, what you talking is some sheltered stuck up kid bullshyt, that from your comments.
I don't hear you actually enduring poverty as a cognitive adult.
There is no way anyone who endured poverty for real would say what you are saying.
Even if they were not educated.
I can't see someone being poor saying what you are saying.
So, have you been really through abject poverty as an actual responsible actual adult.
Who actually did everything not to be in poverty and excelled in a manner that poverty would be far fetched but a reality.
I live a life where I excelled and poverty is a real reality.
That I never asked to be put in, except I was saddled with poverty.
given the circumstance and bouts I have with real enemies who run these corporations that manipulate the strings.


Art Barr

My enemies are the darlings of the chamber of commerce.
Has a white person in power ever did anything actually to you, brazenly and defiantly?
Then showed you why you was a nikka, in America , for real to a white person.
If not, then I don't think you qualified to speak on poverty and try to demean someone who already achieved more than you.
Yet that person was forced into poverty and made it out on numerous occasions.
While, you never once endured.
or came back from poverty once as an adult.

Ive lived under conditions so destitute as a child I don't even consider situations I've had to live under as an adult to be destitute...Even though I've lived under situations worse than yours if that 830 a month,using heaters,riding the bus was your definition of extreme:comeon:)...From a kid until my late teens there were times we would go without food,wouldnt have lights,gas,or water at the same damn time...Sometimes for years at a time we wouldn't have multiple utilities....What you know about taking shyts on top of shyts cuz you cant flush the toilet,shytting in trash bags cuz you cant flush,or being sent to steal water from out the side of the neighbors house in the middle of the night,worried you might get shot by some Willie Manchester azz nikka:pachaha:?Not having electricity for nearly a year sumtimes,aint nobody tryna do homework by a candle in the wintertime....Plus I lived in the era where utility companys had no problem cutting your heat off in the winter time if you didnt pay....Heaters and stoves wasnt even always optional,Ive had to sleep outside,slept in cars,slept on buses,slept in shelters...Living around other people in poverty,and people feeling sorry for your family,because yalls poverty level aint even normal to them,all because ya mama don't wanna take welfare or help from her family....only coli members from third world countrys probaly had it as bad or worse than me.

Its funny poverty breeds different mindsets,my oldest sister worked hard and actually did her work by the candlelight,or would walk long distance for somewhere she could sit that had light:wow:...She worked hard,went to college,got a degree and now is pretty successful....My other sister is basically a gold digger who decided to date and marry a rich dude who takes care of her:francis:....Me?as a early teen as soon as I realized it ways to get money,i did that....from po hustling,to working salary jobs,odd jobs,i was doin it all to try to help my family so we didn't have to live under those conditions,i wanted the money right then and now.....if it wasnt homo,armed robbery,or selling crack:whoa:.. i was pretty open to do it,as a youngin I was outchea networking...If anything I could say you sound like you didn't come up in poverty and were priveldged,because you sound like minor poverty caught you off guard and damn near beat all the life out of you:mjcry:

The difference with me,is I always expected poverty to catch me as an adult,without some Illuminati cacs giving me a wakeup call,and blackballing me from everywhere supposedly....As a teen I ran from it,as an adult I ran from it,and I still run from it now....and vowed to never live under the type of horrible situation I did as a kid....So based on that alone,i don't feel like you as a grown man did everything you could to not be as fukked up as you were..

One thing you didn't do was accept help which is exactly the type of person I was talking about in my original post....Either you had no friends,family or bytches willing to help you even a little,maybe a felon or mentally unstable which is truly a sad situation....or you rejected all help out of pride,yet you wasted time down at the welfare office,which I could've told you was a waste of your time as early as a teenager being a single male:heh:....I don't see how you can really be in the streets and have gained no social connections,hussle connections,have no ho's and are relying soley on this 830 a month:pachaha:?

But don't act like what I said was some fairy tale shyt,most nikkas aint black balled by illuminati cacs they pissed off in a board room:pachaha:....But because you were supposedly,you wanna act like getting roommates,or living at home with moms,or with a chick while you save some bread,is some godly shyt no normal man could pull off:childplease:....You cant in one breath say hardly anyone has been in your situation,then turn around act like your situation is the norm and every nikka out here is stuck.

And its even easier for nikkas now,they don't have to have a single connection of any kind,as long as they can get to a internet connection....You don't gotta find out through somebodys cousins auntee,that they brother is renting out a room,you can just go online......If ou realize your urban city is a fukked up place to live in poverty,and theres no oppurtunities,you don't have to just pack up and move blindly....you can apply for a job online,get the job before you even touch down:banderas:...nikkas got It waaaay easier than we had it,and you in here tallin em "its impossible odds yall:mjcry:"...I didn't give advice to get wealthy because I"ve never been that....I gave advice to get a leg up so a car breaking down,or losing a job suddenly,doesnt IMMEDIATELY have you fukked up,basic shyt....That's the only advice I am suited to give,I leave the getting wealthy conversation to people who have been there.

I do agree with the part about a lot of priveldged people being in this thread,or at least misguided people....Maybe I'm wrong but nikkas who can afford Gucci belts,flat screens,jordans are not people I consider to be in poverty....They are just nikkas who are bad with money,who may have come from poverty....But they aint missin a meal,and have probably been enabled by they parents they live with,welfare system or b/f/(g/f) to blow they bread on that shyt...so yeah,them nikkas might live AMONG poverty by choice,but you cant compare them to people living IN poverty.
 
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Ive lived under conditions so destitute as a child I don't even consider situations I've had to live under as an adult to be destitute...Even though I've lived under situations worse than yours if that 830 a month,using heaters,riding the bus was your definition of extreme:comeon:)...From a kid until my late teens there were times we would go without food,wouldnt have lights,gas,or water at the same damn time...Sometimes for years at a time we wouldn't have multiple utilities....What you know about taking shyts on top of shyts cuz you cant flush the toilet,shytting in trash bags cuz you cant flush,or being sent to steal water from out the side of the neighbors house in the middle of the night,worried you might get shot by some Willie Manchester azz nikka:pachaha:?Not having electricity for nearly a year sumtimes,aint nobody tryna do homework by a candle in the wintertime....Plus I lived in the era where utility companys had no problem cutting your heat off in the winter time if you didnt pay....Heaters and stoves wasnt even always optional,Ive had to sleep outside,slept in cars,slept on buses,slept in shelters...Living around other people in poverty,and people feeling sorry for your family,because yalls poverty level aint even normal to them,all because ya mama don't wanna take welfare or help from her family....only coli members from third world countrys probaly had it as bad or worse than me.

Like I said I did everything you talking about just recently.
I woke up at 345am to mop up my shyt every day, off the floor coming out of one toilet into the other inoperable bathroom.
filled with my own shyt and sixteen PitBulls shyt coming into the other malfunctioning toilet every day for four years plus straight just recently no less than sixteen to eighteen months ago.
My last five years been a systematic blur just as anyone who endured what I have just as you.
I am far from the guy speaking from no experience or braintrust.
So, if you wanna get into a pissing contest about what you endured I just endured it and I never did anything to warrant being there.
Just like anyone born into it.
Yet people like you self equate from some stuck up place and forgot where and how it really is.
In other words forgetting where you came from.
Even after doing everything others did not and more.
I slept in shelters and had a homeless letter that never materialized in to the luck of section eight housing, just recently.
I came up on welfare.
to not be on welfare and then back on it like they want you to.
Now not on it and don't have any issue with being on it again, cause I have no fear of it like you do as you did as a scared little boy born into the situation.
To the point I know in Chicago what day and time to show up to get all the ammenties in one afternoon.
That America markets will happen but most people think it is a lie cause they don't really know the system.
That most people in general think is automatic and it is a overcrowded lottery and waiting list system backed up twenty years.
Even after you get into and know the system..it all does not work from a housing standpoint.
I was given a house because I am a good person and took care of the woman.
Who after i met her, and cared for just because i knew sumfin was awry with her.
who was seeking refuge from her own brother raping her in said house.
Forcing her to flee just because of the sheer danger she was in and re-experiencing trauma.
Other, nikkaz would have lied and lead her on and fukked it all up.
Yet since I have game and not a cheater swag based fake nikka.
I was given what most never get.
I had to sleep in my boots and it is documented in the Chicago thread for days and weeks at a time.
I have thwarted push in's every day and night for months for years out the blue.
any time of the day and still had to be lucky enough I never came home to a group in masks with the worse planned and the threat coming from a guy incestuously raping his own sister, at the bare minimum.
Even after not having a house filled with pit bulls.
This same house is the hood getaway route for when nikkaz get to changing nikkas.
so every day multiple times a day nikkaz is trying to come through my gate someone has pulled off the hinges.
to make it easier to shoot a nikka and just hit the dip which is my actual place I stay.
To the point the police killed a guy making that hold onto the fence post right into my yard.
Which is documented in the Chicago thread.
The same girl who killed and was a FrontPage story about deaths west of stoney to Inglewood was on that same block.
When she not the only one active.
To the point if you look at nikkaz in that areas rap records and j card pictures.
They are showing that same house on my block everyday.
To the point I can not even do shyt in my own house because of activity out of my own control.
To the point I could be destitute from one police interview doing what he wants.
Regardless of what some laws say on the back end.
In a real locale with a real police force.
Not that one cop per ninety square miles radius that is a rule in the state you are from.

Someone broke my water line in said house.
so my front room flooded everyday just to fill water bottles to wash up.
To bath with water heated in the microwave every day twice a day because I was a cna.
Wrangling shyt and hoping i would get the bread to possibly pay for MRI school with no real address of my own except for said house.
The water situation, i did not find what the issue was.
Or how to fix it till the entire gypsum in the house had melted from moisture allowing me to fix it.
Which took four months, to find.
When engineering and logic or certs did not aid me finding it like my training said it should.
This is all just for starters the past three to four years just recently from 2011 to 2014.
shyt I don't know cause I had to figure out problems daily.
you speak on every morning at 3am, period without fail.
That I could not be concerned with time like normal people do.
Yet, i need to be abreast of time more than anyone.



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Its funny poverty breeds different mindsets,my oldest sister worked hard and actually did her work by the candlelight,or would walk long distance for somewhere she could sit that had light:wow:...She worked hard,went to college,got a degree and now is pretty successful....My other sister is basically a gold digger who decided to date and marry a rich dude who takes care of her:francis:....Me?as a early teen as soon as I realized it ways to get money,i did that....from po hustling,to working salary jobs,odd jobs,i was doin it all to try to help my family so we didn't have to live under those conditions,i wanted the money right then and now.....if it wasnt homo,armed robbery,or selling crack:whoa:.. i was pretty open to do it,as a youngin I was outchea networking...If anything I could say you sound like you didn't come up in poverty and were priveldged,because you sound like minor poverty caught you off guard and damn near beat all the life out of you:mjcry:

The difference with me,is I always expected poverty to catch me as an adult,without some Illuminati cacs giving me a wakeup call,and blackballing me from everywhere supposedly....As a teen I ran from it,as an adult I ran from it,and I still run from it now....and vowed to never live under the type of horrible situation I did as a kid....So based on that alone,i don't feel like you as a grown man did everything you could to not be as fukked up as you were..

One thing you didn't do was accept help

WRONG TO say, I never accepted help, but when there is no resource group or help to aid you how you need.
You have to still be highly resourceful and of which I am resourceful on a level that extends past what nikka know to be generally true.

STILLNOT SOFT said:
which is exactly the type of person I was talking about in my original post....Either you had no friends,family or bytches willing to help you even a little,which is truly a sad situation....or you rejected all help out of pride,yet you wasted time down at the welfare office,which I could've told you was a waste of your time as early as a teenager being a single male:heh:....I don't see how you can really be in the streets and have gained no social connections,hussle connections,have no ho's and are relying soley on this 830 a month:pachaha:?

But don't act like what I said was some fairy tale shyt,most nikkas aint black balled by illuminati cacs they pissed off in a board room:pachaha:....But because you were supposedly,you wanna act like getting roommates,or living at home with moms,or with a chick while you save some bread,is some godly shyt no normal man could pull off:childplease:....You cant in one breath say hardly anyone has been in your situation,then turn around act like your situation is the norm and every nikka out here is stuck.

And its even easier for nikkas now,they don't have to have a single connection of any kind,as long as they can get to a internet connection....You don't gotta find out through somebodys cousins auntee,that they brother is renting out a room,you can just go online......If ou realize your urban city is a fukked up place to live in poverty,and theres no oppurtunities,you don't have to just pack up and move blindly....you can apply for a job online,get the job before you even touch down:banderas:...nikkas got It waaaay easier than we had it,and you in here tallin em "its impossible odds yall:mjcry:"...I didn't give advice to get wealthy because I"ve never been that....I gave advice to get a leg up so a car breaking down,or losing a job suddenly,doesnt IMMEDIATELY have you fukked up....That's the only advice I am suited to give,I leave the getting wealthy conversation to people who have been there.

I do agree with the part about a lot of priveldged people being in this thread,or at least misguided people....Maybe I'm wrong but nikkas who can afford Gucci belts,flat screens,jordans are not people I consider to be in poverty....They are just nikkas who are bad with money,who may have come from poverty....But they aint missin a meal,and have probably been enabled by they parents they live with,welfare system or b/f/(g/f) to blow they bread on that shyt...so yeah,them nikkas might live AMONG poverty by choice,but you cant compare them to people living IN poverty.


One you self equated and speak past the general rule.
plus we know you don't read in full.
As you skimmed what I am talking about and for you to think people have relatives or a resource group readily is because you self equated from your rule and idea everyone has relatives and siblings or a resource group at their disposal.
In chicago I had no relatives or family like that, period.
Past mom and dad, so every resource group member I made.
was from my own social setup and I happened to prosper from the ground up.
Plus, was blackballed so all the salary jobs and shyt you got to do did not exist.
All the work you talembout did not exist and finding a job after Losing two never materialized.
Even with multiple certs and recent class based qualifications.
Plus, being apart of programs that were railroaded from rod Blagojevich being nabbed by the feds.

Yet I still woke up every morning to mop my own shyt and sixteen pitbulls and a homie i housed to help in how harsh Chicago is everyday twice a day.
Then take it out to the trash in plastic bags everyday twice a day.
I had a house given to me from really helping people for real.

Now, I am in the come up role and got a vette and then it will be more and more.
With being blackballed and doing more than you because I been through more than you as an actualized adult.
Plus done more and know more which is why nikkaz fukk with me on a level just on here you are never approaching.

With a stolen life, and having the ability to do what others would not and I continued to get certs and build.
When I was on death's door, losing fifty pounds of muscle in five weeks and dropping from a brolic 186 to 134.
, since I invested in my future in medical I could not move around like I previously did to get out of this in the shortcut manner.
Most people like to champion hustling.
nikkaz subscribe to when it comes to the trap.
Yet still had to and still had to make it without fail in a cop infested neighborhood that was even as extreme if not more than the actual activity taking place on just the block.
Let alone the actual neighborhood.

So spare me all your stillnotsoft attacks at the realest nikka alive's cred.
as I actually did all the shyt and more nikkaz say they do or endured and not from that pedigree at all.
Yet because I am prescient and smart enough to understand knowledge and how bleak the world is.
I actually knew to create a homeless contingency plan that exists in real time solutions given the actual complexion of the actual times.
Which i just used to make it out, and i know how bleak it is.
Which is why i know about the general rule and not basing life on extreme exceptions to the rule.
Where nikkaz say you not supposed to have done none of it coming from a two parent home.
Yet, I did it all and did it further from a larger extreme than nikkaz like you who shortsighted and critical.
Just because you envious of nikkaz who come from better stock than you did.
Ol divisive little nikka in the shelter face ass nikka.
When we all in the damn shelter.
Plus, you lack culture as well.

You not enduring nuffin nobody else has not being out there as the standard rule.
you did not have to endure it as an adult who already beat the game with his life stolen.
So, you can have resentment cause you have ownership to a life that you are falsely informed to think only happens to people who are born into poverty.

I noticed you ain't said shyt about during the recession at all, just when you was a kid.
You ain't said shyt about ever beating the game and having it stolen and having real enemies.
Then starting from nuffin and also navigating around international/federal and state warrants.
That just last week came to fukk my shyt up.

you are your own enemy and I grow tired of you trying to pick and try to make me your enemy cause you still soft as fukk, my nikka.

I also know not to be critical of what nikkaz pockets is like you cause you were not able to do what they were and do not have a human connection to get on with the very group your are jealous/envious of.
Which also shows you still, to soft.
Yeah, you were poverty stricken and you talk like someone who is soft as fukk and forgot where you came from cause you running from poverty instead of embracing the real character building that you missed achieving from being jaded to being in poverty.


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thats why all these anti minimum wage dikkheads piss me off

if you give someone 11 dollars an hour instead of 9 dollars, that extra two an hour is going right back into the economy. they arent fukkin sitting on it



so im gon get 2 extra dollars too? and the guy above me as well right?
 
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The older I get, I have less and less sympathy for people that are poor and have the attitude that they'll always be such and it's out of their control.

As someone who grew up in the hood in a small ass apartment with 7 of us living there, myself and my siblings are all professionals who do relatively well for ourselves; and the main reason is because the value of education and proper work ethic was instilled within us from an early age.

So a lot of this shyt just sounds like excuses to me now. People don't want to get a 2nd or 3rd job and think they should be entitled to certain shyt just because. If your circumstances suck? Guess what, you have the power to change them if you try hard enough.

How come of foreigners can come here and within a decade they've already saved up enough money to own a business, move out the hood, and have their kids going to Ivy league schools? If they can do it, why can't people who have grown up here and don't have to deal with the same obstacles like language barriers, getting acquainted with American customs, etc.

And fukk raising the minimum wage. Why should I have to pay $10 for a Big Mac value meal because the dude that flips burgers and fukking up my order is making $12/hour. Minimum wage jobs aren't MEANT to be careers that you're able to support a family off of. Go learn a skill or trade and get an actual career and not ask everyone else to basically just hand you more money because you're lazy and don't have the ambition to do more than take drive-thru orders and flip burgers.
 

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The older I get, I have less and less sympathy for people that are poor and have the attitude that they'll always be such and it's out of their control.

As someone who grew up in the hood in a small ass apartment with 7 of us living there, myself and my siblings are all professionals who do relatively well for ourselves; and the main reason is because the value of education and proper work ethic was instilled within us from an early age.

So a lot of this shyt just sounds like excuses to me now. People don't want to get a 2nd or 3rd job and think they should be entitled to certain shyt just because. If your circumstances suck? Guess what, you have the power to change them if you try hard enough.

How come of foreigners can come here and within a decade they've already saved up enough money to own a business, move out the hood, and have their kids going to Ivy league schools? If they can do it, why can't people who have grown up here and don't have to deal with the same obstacles like language barriers, getting acquainted with American customs, etc.
I agree and I think this is where the disconnect comes in atevery time these types of threads come up. We have people like you who in most cases have come from situations that aren't the best end up being productive in life and aren't trying to hear it esp as you get older. I think the reason you feel that way is because like Tariq said awhile ago nobody need help with finding ways to get vices but serious stuff cats got all the reasons in the world stuff ain't popping. Then you have the other side who aren't trying to hear anything about its possible to do better but yet and still can be on here all the time. I mean its hard to give specific advice to people you don't know on here but let's be real if you aren't where you feel comfortable you,shouldn't be on here or any social media type stuff period. It doesn't guarantee you'll be rich but chances are better that you become better off using this time on more beneficial things than arguing about studies that mainly don't pertain to anybody on here and other mainly bullshyt we post about on here IMO. I'm sorry but if you on here you can't be that bad off. You might not be balling but you ain't as poor as you think either.
 

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I agree and I think this is where the disconnect comes in atevery time these types of threads come up. We have people like you who in most cases have come from situations that aren't the best end up being productive in life and aren't trying to hear it esp as you get older. I think the reason you feel that way is because like Tariq said awhile ago nobody need help with finding ways to get vices but serious stuff cats got all the reasons in the world stuff ain't popping. Then you have the other side who aren't trying to hear anything about its possible to do better but yet and still can be on here all the time. I mean its hard to give specific advice to people you don't know on here but let's be real if you aren't where you feel comfortable you,shouldn't be on here or any social media type stuff period. It doesn't guarantee you'll be rich but chances are better that you become better off using this time on more beneficial things than arguing about studies that mainly don't pertain to anybody on here and other mainly bullshyt we post about on here IMO. I'm sorry but if you on here you can't be that bad off. You might not be balling but you ain't as poor as you think either.
i think the disconnect people are having is just how you said it.... one group thinks anything is possible and the other is like, nah it's really not

and really.... they are both right and wrong



yes... anyone can make it... not rich, but comfortable and not broke... but at the same time, there's not an infinite amount of jobs and money... so while ANYone can make it, EVERYone can't.. and that's just simple numbers


people bring up an array of points, as if it's a general statement... b-b-b-b-but immigrants can live 10 in a house and save... ok what if you don't have 2, 5, or 10 grown ass adults in your life that want to do that

b-b-b-b-b-but get 3 jobs.. what if you been applying for months and can't 1 job, let alone 3.

b-b-b-b-b-b-but i was raise to take education seriously... what if your mom was a fukking broke dummy who told your ass to get money... or wasn't home to teach you shyt so you caught 3 felonies by the age of 16, trying to deal coke

b-b-b-b-b-but learn a trade.... shyt there's plenty of people with degrees, living in mom's basement (luckily they have a mom with a basement), with no damn job, out there searching hard for one

b-b-b-b-b-but don't have kids.... ok you fukked up.. what you gonna do now? give your kids away?

b-b-b-b-b-but just move to a place where there's more jobs.... how you gonna move a family with no damn money?


i FULLY agree.. you bust your ass.. you save every damn penny only getting the things you need... you study those books... you get on that bike or bus or train... you get that degree or trade.... you get that better job... you move to a location that has better opportunities, you make it out

that's how my mom did it.... had me... moving house to house to stay with family (she had a degree, luckily she had family or that'd be the street), lived with my grandma while she worked 2-3 jobs (lucky she had a mom who could do that, watch me, let her be free to not leave a 1-6 year old home alone), had another kid with my dad (see, fukking up, but she was in love), my dad was there but he really ain't do shyt to help.............. she got her own place finally when i'm in 4th grade... got married to my stepdad... they got a townhouse around 5th grade.... she still working 2 jobs tho, he working 2 jobs... 3rd baby, tubes tied..... finally got their first house, after getting a better job, and moving us 3 states away to VA by the time i hit 8th grade....

now they fukking paid and living good, my mom don't have to work, my stepdad holds 1 job where he making well over 6 figures

so i got to see that... go my ass beat for every bad grade... saw a hard working family growing up... was taught the value of money and education... shyt rubbed off on me... now i'm doing well myself






but that don't mean i don't see my friends back home and even some here.... fukked up in the game... moms didn't care what they did growing up... food stamps and welfare all their life.. straight f's not giving a fukk... juvy record, adult record as a juvy... never had a job and can't get one... can't even fill out an application right...

would like to get work... would like to stop having to rob, deal and kill for paper... would love to have been taught money management and savings plan and educating themselves back when they were young.... but the fact is they weren't





i don't think it's impossible... not at all.. but i know some of us got a major fukking head start whether through skin color, parenting, financial beginning, role models, whatever

y'all can't tell me you haven't met a few dumbasses in your life, who you knew OFF TOP, wasn't going to amount to shyt no matter what they did
 

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i think the disconnect people are having is just how you said it.... one group thinks anything is possible and the other is like, nah it's really not

and really.... they are both right and wrong



yes... anyone can make it... not rich, but comfortable and not broke... but at the same time, there's not an infinite amount of jobs and money... so while ANYone can make it, EVERYone can't.. and that's just simple numbers


Here is the thing though, the more ppl working = more jobs working. its just economics. More ppl working means more money going in to the economy which means more jobs.


people bring up an array of points, as if it's a general statement... b-b-b-b-but immigrants can live 10 in a house and save... ok what if you don't have 2, 5, or 10 grown ass adults in your life that want to do that

This is true, there is nothing you can do about that.

b-b-b-b-b-but get 3 jobs.. what if you been applying for months and can't 1 job, let alone 3.

I find that hard to believe, there are tons of entry level jobs, but ppl are just to proud to work at mcdonalds or burger king to get that start.


b-b-b-b-b-b-but i was raise to take education seriously... what if your mom was a fukking broke dummy who told your ass to get money... or wasn't home to teach you shyt so you caught 3 felonies by the age of 16, trying to deal coke

That isn't the norm, however it is a reality for a lot of ppl, so I'll address it. at 16 you are gonna have to focus on education. Suck it up, go back to school and build.


b-b-b-b-b-but learn a trade.... shyt there's plenty of people with degrees, living in mom's basement (luckily they have a mom with a basement), with no damn job, out there searching hard for one

This is twofold, first its idiots that think their history degree or someother lame ass degree is gonna pay off or give them lots of opportunities(especially in smller towns/cities). Secondly you have ppl with usable degrees that think they are better than the entry level job that they should be taking. SO they are applying at jobs that they really aren't ready for or they jsut aren't applying to the rgiht positions.
However, there are some places that its harder to work with certain degrees, you may have to move where the jobs are. Your petro engineering degree would be better used somewhere like Texas or Alaska then it would be in Delaware, for example.


b-b-b-b-b-but don't have kids.... ok you fukked up.. what you gonna do now? give your kids away?

Your poor planning and mismanagement isn't anyone elses fault but your own. Now you are gonna have to work twice as hard and make twice as much sacrifice. It will be hard work something that most don't want to...

b-b-b-b-b-but just move to a place where there's more jobs.... how you gonna move a family with no damn money?

It really doesn't take that much money to move. Its gonna take you sacrificng and saving what little money you do have to eventually move. but if you plan it properly it is definitely doable.
The rest of the stuff was good to read...props to you.
 

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i think the disconnect people are having is just how you said it.... one group thinks anything is possible and the other is like, nah it's really not

and really.... they are both right and wrong



yes... anyone can make it... not rich, but comfortable and not broke... but at the same time, there's not an infinite amount of jobs and money... so while ANYone can make it, EVERYone can't.. and that's just simple numbers


people bring up an array of points, as if it's a general statement... b-b-b-b-but immigrants can live 10 in a house and save... ok what if you don't have 2, 5, or 10 grown ass adults in your life that want to do that

b-b-b-b-b-but get 3 jobs.. what if you been applying for months and can't 1 job, let alone 3.

b-b-b-b-b-b-but i was raise to take education seriously... what if your mom was a fukking broke dummy who told your ass to get money... or wasn't home to teach you shyt so you caught 3 felonies by the age of 16, trying to deal coke

b-b-b-b-b-but learn a trade.... shyt there's plenty of people with degrees, living in mom's basement (luckily they have a mom with a basement), with no damn job, out there searching hard for one

b-b-b-b-b-but don't have kids.... ok you fukked up.. what you gonna do now? give your kids away?

b-b-b-b-b-but just move to a place where there's more jobs.... how you gonna move a family with no damn money?


i FULLY agree.. you bust your ass.. you save every damn penny only getting the things you need... you study those books... you get on that bike or bus or train... you get that degree or trade.... you get that better job... you move to a location that has better opportunities, you make it out

that's how my mom did it.... had me... moving house to house to stay with family (she had a degree, luckily she had family or that'd be the street), lived with my grandma while she worked 2-3 jobs (lucky she had a mom who could do that, watch me, let her be free to not leave a 1-6 year old home alone), had another kid with my dad (see, fukking up, but she was in love), my dad was there but he really ain't do shyt to help.............. she got her own place finally when i'm in 4th grade... got married to my stepdad... they got a townhouse around 5th grade.... she still working 2 jobs tho, he working 2 jobs... 3rd baby, tubes tied..... finally got their first house, after getting a better job, and moving us 3 states away to VA by the time i hit 8th grade....

now they fukking paid and living good, my mom don't have to work, my stepdad holds 1 job where he making well over 6 figures

so i got to see that... go my ass beat for every bad grade... saw a hard working family growing up... was taught the value of money and education... shyt rubbed off on me... now i'm doing well myself






but that don't mean i don't see my friends back home and even some here.... fukked up in the game... moms didn't care what they did growing up... food stamps and welfare all their life.. straight f's not giving a fukk... juvy record, adult record as a juvy... never had a job and can't get one... can't even fill out an application right...

would like to get work... would like to stop having to rob, deal and kill for paper... would love to have been taught money management and savings plan and educating themselves back when they were young.... but the fact is they weren't





i don't think it's impossible... not at all.. but i know some of us got a major fukking head start whether through skin color, parenting, financial beginning, role models, whatever

y'all can't tell me you haven't met a few dumbasses in your life, who you knew OFF TOP, wasn't going to amount to shyt no matter what they did
Bold is true but even those who don't have these major head starts can do something about it most times. Most of us have saw situations either personally or elsewhere to give you that motivation. That's how I look at it and like I said it don't mean you're going to be rich but being able to not be poor I think damn near everybody can achieve that eps since most people only talk about being major financially and not actually trying to do so.

I've also met people who I knew wasn't going to amount to much but it was moreso their thinking not lack of anything that held them back. That's how I think of the cats who use the stats they probably have some talent, skill they could use to improve their situation but their mentality and co signers around them allow them to be stuck. Its easy to get stuck when everybody around you co signing stuff on some yeah man the system against us fam. We can't make it dudes making up shyt, why they don't help us if its that easy, etc. Its easy to stay wherever you're at and I'm just against that. Again don't mean everybody going to be rich cause your right that's not possible but being poor for most if not all of us (who I'm mainly speaking about) posting on here though I can't jive with that. You have some type of security to be on here or other forms of entertainment so you have some foundation that can help you possibly do better if you aren't where you want to be IMO. That's all I'm saying when these discussions take place
 

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Nah, it's not. Most nikkas who say this are making excuses, because they're going to buy the iPhone X and every other iPhone that comes out, $300 shoes, a car that's 3/4 of their salary etc. Instead of saving to better their situation. Their disposable income goes to depreciating assets instead of building. And you can't tell them anything. They rationalize their material obsession with "this makes me feel better" and make excuses for why they can't save and invest.

The craziest thing about it, that they don't even realize, is that people of higher incomes don't even care about those trinkets that they buy. They're wasting money. I've known millionaires and people making high 6-figures, and none of them buy Jordans, or would buy cars that they can't afford (no they would not buy a car that will have them struggling after they buy it). Poor nikkas go out and buy an expensive car and gear that they can't afford just to try to impress people. Instead of bettering their situation. If you're broke, you should use your disposable income to create more income, that way if you get laid off you'll still have money coming in. But instead, nikkas buy Jordans. $1000 phones, and other trinkets, then complain about being broke and having little income. It's not anywhere near as complicated as what they're trying to make it sound. It's very possible to invest and live comfortably (not rich but comfortably), but most aren't willing to make the sacrifices that are necessary. You have to be super frugal for awhile, pick up a high paying skill, save and invest. Wasting your money on trinkets is not the way.
 
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Nah, it's not. Most nikkas who say this are making excuses, because they're going to buy the iPhone X and every other iPhone that comes out, $300 shoes, a car that's 3/4 of their salary etc. Instead of saving to better their situation. Their disposable income goes to depreciating assets instead of building. And you can't tell them anything. They rationalize their material obsession with "this makes me feel better" and make excuses for why they can't save and invest.

The craziest thing about it, that they don't even realize, is that people of higher incomes don't even care about those trinkets that they buy. They're wasting money. I've known millionaires and people making high 6-figures, and none of them buy Jordans, or would buy cars that they can't afford (no they would not buy a car that will have them struggling after they buy it). Poor nikkas go out and buy an expensive car and gear that they can't afford just to try to impress people. Instead of bettering their situation. If you're broke, you should use your disposable income to create more income, that way if you get laid off you'll still have money coming in. But instead, nikkas buy Jordans. $1000 phones, and other trinkets, then complain about being broke and having little income. It's not anywhere near as complicated as what they're trying to make it sound. It's very possible to invest and live comfortably (not rich but comfortably), but most aren't willing to make the sacrifices that are necessary. You have to be super frugal for awhile, pick up a high paying skill, save and invest. Wasting your money on trinkets is not the way.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... then they ain't broke

if you got 1000 to spend, you ain't broke. we talking about "how we gonna keep the lights on... open up the oven so we can heat the apt broke" a nikka who can buy a car, instead of being so broke he gotta take the bus, is not poor.. he just stupid with money

the TV show atlanta had a great ep on this. dude only had 65 dollars to last a week. plus a kid and a girl. he goes to his man to flip it... he flips it into more cash, then says "but i still need more"

his homie flips that cash into product and buys a dog.. when that dog has puppies, they'll be worth 2k a piece.. boom.. in a few months, he'll have 10 gs


broke guy: "what the fukk!!! i need the money for THIS week. i now have 0 dollars cause i invested it all, the 10k will do me great when i get it.. but until then, i can't even survive cause i used all my money."


that's the problem poor people have. yea it's not so hard to invest in shyt.. what is hard, is using your food money to do so, and knowing you won't get a return that's worth a damn until months later


again... we talking ACTUALLY poor
 

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If you take your survival seriously, you will find a way to save. You might not be able to start off saving a whole lot, but you'll take necessary steps towards it. There's generally something you can cut back on (sneakers, eating out at expensive places, etc) to save more money. Most ppl cannot/will not do this though.

You can save, if you cut back on some of the things you buy.

You don't even need a loan, for those mentioning loans. Just be more frugal, and aggressive about your saving. For example, if eating out a lot is costing you extra money, take a lunch to work sometimes.

You have to PRESERVE your bread, then try to grow it.

Stop putting extra obstacles in your way i.e. wasting your checks on expensive brands, just to floss for the 'gram. Or having kids too soon, that you can't afford yet.

Next, pick up a skill while you're working your 9 to 5. A skill that you can monetize of course.

Use the skill to make extra money. Then save. Invest.

You will not get to a point of having a decent savings, investments, and high income, if you keep wasting your disposable income on stuff to try to impress strangers.

I've talked to some poorer ppl online and offline before as well, and this is generally the issue.
 

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thats why all these anti minimum wage dikkheads piss me off

if you give someone 11 dollars an hour instead of 9 dollars, that extra two an hour is going right back into the economy. they arent fukkin sitting on it
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